Rescue/Repair The Worst Eps!
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TATV - instead of it being in a holodeck, make it real. And instead of Riker, have Q.
Use the exact same Enterprise plot, but have Q interacting with the crew (but the crew don't know that he's the Q that we know). Make it that the Continuum is curious about Earth because of the quick rise to power it had. In the end, use Trip's death to cause Q to become very interested in Humanity (the idea of self-sacrifice) and decides to keep tabs on humanity over the next two hundred years or so.
Use the exact same Enterprise plot, but have Q interacting with the crew (but the crew don't know that he's the Q that we know). Make it that the Continuum is curious about Earth because of the quick rise to power it had. In the end, use Trip's death to cause Q to become very interested in Humanity (the idea of self-sacrifice) and decides to keep tabs on humanity over the next two hundred years or so.
^ Now that would have worked!
Tuvix - I dunno how, but Janeway can't be allowed to murder Tuvix. I know Tuvok and Neelix have to be resurrected at the end of the episode, but it has to be done without forcing Janeway to make a morally indefensible decision.
Rapture - Not a bad episode per se, but would have been better if it had opened up a new plotline - that Sisko's emerging identity as a Bajoran religious figure was colliding with his responsibilities as an officer of the athiestic Federation.
The conflict would come to a head over Sisko's insistence that the Prophets can be trusted and their instructions should be blindly followed. To Starfleet, the Prophets are just wormhole aliens and they could have malicious motives or even be aligned with the Dominion. Why did they insist Bajor sign a neutrality treaty with the Dominion - was that for Bajor's benefit or for the Dominion's? The interpretation hinges on whether you believe in their divinity or not.
The audience would know Sisko is "right," but Starfleet certainly shouldn't make that assumption. The events of Call to Arms thru Sacrifice of Angels would put this conflict on hold but after Starfleet gets DS9 back, Sisko and his superiors should be headed for a showdown while everything else is happening - and Starfleet can't simply remove Sisko for fear of offending the Bajorans and losing strategically-located DS9.
Rapture - Not a bad episode per se, but would have been better if it had opened up a new plotline - that Sisko's emerging identity as a Bajoran religious figure was colliding with his responsibilities as an officer of the athiestic Federation.
The conflict would come to a head over Sisko's insistence that the Prophets can be trusted and their instructions should be blindly followed. To Starfleet, the Prophets are just wormhole aliens and they could have malicious motives or even be aligned with the Dominion. Why did they insist Bajor sign a neutrality treaty with the Dominion - was that for Bajor's benefit or for the Dominion's? The interpretation hinges on whether you believe in their divinity or not.
The audience would know Sisko is "right," but Starfleet certainly shouldn't make that assumption. The events of Call to Arms thru Sacrifice of Angels would put this conflict on hold but after Starfleet gets DS9 back, Sisko and his superiors should be headed for a showdown while everything else is happening - and Starfleet can't simply remove Sisko for fear of offending the Bajorans and losing strategically-located DS9.
DumbDumb2007
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Lights of Zetar, Spock's Brain, And the Children shall Lead and Turnabout Intruder all need major ,major overhauls. If Not excision from the Star Trek saga.
Honestly, I think that's the best thing about the episode. While simultaneously agreeing Janeway's position is indefensible. At least VOY for once had the guts to do something shocking, while also acknowledging to an extent that it was shocking - when Tuvix calls everyone murderers on the bridge, it's hard not to agree with him.
The episode's a little dull despite its intriguing premise, and the ending is the saving grace.
It made Janeway look like someone who couldn't make a sound ethical judgement. Instead she committed murder just to get her friends back when she should have acknowledged that those friends were DEAD and there was no way to justify murder in order to restore their lives.
That was the beginning of the end of Janeway as a credible character. Janeway being written in an inconsistent and aggravating fashion was one of the main factors making VOY the worst of the Trek series, and that's a much bigger issue than whether or not a particular episode was good.
Her leadership flaws should have inspired the crew to mutiny and the fact that they didn't just made them all look like dopes under the command of a lunatic (which would have been a fun idea for a series if it had been intentional
).
That was the beginning of the end of Janeway as a credible character. Janeway being written in an inconsistent and aggravating fashion was one of the main factors making VOY the worst of the Trek series, and that's a much bigger issue than whether or not a particular episode was good.
Her leadership flaws should have inspired the crew to mutiny and the fact that they didn't just made them all look like dopes under the command of a lunatic (which would have been a fun idea for a series if it had been intentional
).
"And the Children Shall Lead"
The Enterprise crew responds to a distress call from an archeological expidetion to the planet Triacus, and discovers that the costipated little brats died with their parents. The end.
The Enterprise crew responds to a distress call from an archeological expidetion to the planet Triacus, and discovers that the costipated little brats died with their parents. The end.
"Code Of Honour"
TNG
The crew visits the planet Ligon which possesses a substance that the Federation requires to combat a deadly outbreak of Anchilles fever that is becoming a pandemic on another of its colonies, Styris IV. However the leader of the planet "Lutan" proposes a deal to Picard, who is leading the negotiations. The planet's government will gladly give the Federation the substance it requires...in exchange for weapons and biogenic substances that it needs to put down an opposition group who have been carrying out a paramilitary campaign against them. Picard is shocked and refuses claiming that doing such a thing would against the Federation's fundamental principles. The situation is tense but the outbreak of the disease is getting worse.
Picard contacts the Federation Diplomatic Advisory and is told to stand by. A day later, Picard receives a reply from the Federation diplomats. Officially, the Federation's position is to deny the weapons to the government. Picard accepts the decision and informs his senior staff. The Enterprise is then ordered to a nearby starbase. After several days, news reaches the starbase and the Enterprise that an insurrection has taken place on the planet Ligon and the government has been overthrown. Reports suggest that the opposition group has launched an enormous offensive against the government forces and the planet's former leader has been executed publically along with his entire family. The weapons appear to be highly advanced but not identifiable as to their origin.
Picard and the Enterprise are also informed by the Federation diplomats that they are to return to the planet to pick up supplies of the needed substance to fight the disease. The opposition group, now in a position of power have willingly given up the substance in the interests of "humanitarian aid". The shift in power has though caused a vicious civil war to break out across the planet. Picard is stunned and knows what has really happened, but officially his sole mission is to deliver the medicine and nothing more.
The episode ends with Picard sitting in his ready room looking disheartened as he is informed by a sullen looking Doctor Crusher that the medicine is being distributed and the population is showing signs of recovery. Picard nods briefly and she exits the room, leaving him alone in his thoughts.
TNG
The crew visits the planet Ligon which possesses a substance that the Federation requires to combat a deadly outbreak of Anchilles fever that is becoming a pandemic on another of its colonies, Styris IV. However the leader of the planet "Lutan" proposes a deal to Picard, who is leading the negotiations. The planet's government will gladly give the Federation the substance it requires...in exchange for weapons and biogenic substances that it needs to put down an opposition group who have been carrying out a paramilitary campaign against them. Picard is shocked and refuses claiming that doing such a thing would against the Federation's fundamental principles. The situation is tense but the outbreak of the disease is getting worse.
Picard contacts the Federation Diplomatic Advisory and is told to stand by. A day later, Picard receives a reply from the Federation diplomats. Officially, the Federation's position is to deny the weapons to the government. Picard accepts the decision and informs his senior staff. The Enterprise is then ordered to a nearby starbase. After several days, news reaches the starbase and the Enterprise that an insurrection has taken place on the planet Ligon and the government has been overthrown. Reports suggest that the opposition group has launched an enormous offensive against the government forces and the planet's former leader has been executed publically along with his entire family. The weapons appear to be highly advanced but not identifiable as to their origin.
Picard and the Enterprise are also informed by the Federation diplomats that they are to return to the planet to pick up supplies of the needed substance to fight the disease. The opposition group, now in a position of power have willingly given up the substance in the interests of "humanitarian aid". The shift in power has though caused a vicious civil war to break out across the planet. Picard is stunned and knows what has really happened, but officially his sole mission is to deliver the medicine and nothing more.
The episode ends with Picard sitting in his ready room looking disheartened as he is informed by a sullen looking Doctor Crusher that the medicine is being distributed and the population is showing signs of recovery. Picard nods briefly and she exits the room, leaving him alone in his thoughts.
Ditch Faith Of The Heart and use Sleeping Satellite by Tasmin Archer instead.
It's a song about space exploration, lost opportunities, false hopes, shattered dreams and squandered promises. Ideal for the fifth Star Trek Series.
It's a song about space exploration, lost opportunities, false hopes, shattered dreams and squandered promises. Ideal for the fifth Star Trek Series.
Well, if 'And The Children Shall Lead' were made nowadays, it would have to include several in-jokes ala Shat saying "Damn, that kid looks like my brother's boy Peter." 
Another take might be : The kids are taken on-board, but are sullen and silent. Several of them seem on the verge of saying something, but Tommy Starnes and the older kids stop them at every turn. The crew begins to turn against each other, til at last the Gorgan manifests itself. The children perform their ritual--to destroy him. The kids beg to be returned to the planet, and for a reason he can't explain, even to himself, Kirk gives in. Over the next rise from where the adults were found and from where the children first emerged, the crew finds a mass grave. The children were their parents' first victims, and committing this horrid act drove them further into madness. Spock speculates that the mental energies the Gorgan fed on and unleashed enabled the children to maintain a form of life after death to avenge their murders, but no one else is at all certain of that. Kirk quietly speaks to the grave, calling theirs a well-planned, successful campaign.
Another take might be : The kids are taken on-board, but are sullen and silent. Several of them seem on the verge of saying something, but Tommy Starnes and the older kids stop them at every turn. The crew begins to turn against each other, til at last the Gorgan manifests itself. The children perform their ritual--to destroy him. The kids beg to be returned to the planet, and for a reason he can't explain, even to himself, Kirk gives in. Over the next rise from where the adults were found and from where the children first emerged, the crew finds a mass grave. The children were their parents' first victims, and committing this horrid act drove them further into madness. Spock speculates that the mental energies the Gorgan fed on and unleashed enabled the children to maintain a form of life after death to avenge their murders, but no one else is at all certain of that. Kirk quietly speaks to the grave, calling theirs a well-planned, successful campaign.
Temis the Vorta said:
It made Janeway look like someone who couldn't make a sound ethical judgement. Instead she committed murder just to get her friends back when she should have acknowledged that those friends were DEAD and there was no way to justify murder in order to restore their lives.
That was the beginning of the end of Janeway as a credible character. Janeway being written in an inconsistent and aggravating fashion was one of the main factors making VOY the worst of the Trek series, and that's a much bigger issue than whether or not a particular episode was good.
Her leadership flaws should have inspired the crew to mutiny and the fact that they didn't just made them all look like dopes under the command of a lunatic (which would have been a fun idea for a series if it had been intentional
It would've been better for them to argue that it was fully possible to revive Tuvok and Neelix, and that they needed their individual skills which Tuvix did not possess, and that by staying integrated he was as much a murderer as he was accusing Janeway of being.
That way we're left to realize that Tuvix's refusal is as much murder and that neither side are wholly right, since Tuvix staying alive kills two other people, and retrieving those two makes the crew murderers as well for terminating the existence of one guy for two others.
Don't give us a definite answer as to which is worse, but leave us at that when they retrieve Neelix and Tuvok.
Tuvix wasn't a murderer anymore than a child born of a birth that kills his mother is a murderer. He had no choice in his creation; and afterwards Tuvok and Neelix were for all intents and purposes dead. Janeway was killing a man to bring two dead people back to life, similar to the act of Admiral Janeway when she undid a few decades of lives so she could bring more dead people back to life.
When it comes to keeping her crew alive, she's a bit neurotic.
When it comes to keeping her crew alive, she's a bit neurotic.
Great thread!
Harbinger -- Focus the story around the Sphere Builders -- who they are and what they do as the true A story (and devote the most time to it). Have the episode come earlier so that Reed/Hayes fight is more interesting and that Trip/T'Pol's relationship is more surprising.
Damage -- Have T'Pol become addicted to trellium in order to increase her immunity to the toxin thinking that way Enterprise could line the ship rather than addicted to "fit in." That way, if you're going to do a relationship later between Trip and T'Pol it feels less like an afterschool special.
Bound -- Have T'Pol and Hoshi Sato save the day, and if you're going with a bond between Trip and T'Pol ... show it from the beginning.
Home -- Focus more time on Archer's struggle to regain his lost self from the Expanse and focus less on a relationship with Erika Hernandez. For T'Pol, for crying out loud, show that she has to struggle to find herself again. And make Vulcan Vulcan. The Vulcan arc, for example, was more alien.
Hatchery -- Have people worried from the very beginning that their captain has finally gone over the deep end, and make Archer's actions less sympathize-able.
Demons/Terra Prime -- Have the characters remember E2 (and react to it), have Trip and T'Pol go incognito and make Terra Prime a whole lot scarier. Skip the crappy dialog that came from Archer about "clap louder." Draw more connections to Archer and the Terra Prime, making some of his own staff wonder whether he was in it because of his season 1 attitude about the Vulcans. Also, make it clear from the beginning what Terra Prime intends to do with the infant (enable the audience to find out without the characters knowing).
Klingon arc -- If you're going the bond direction between Trip/T'Pol, make their sequences more like that of Archer and Surak in Awakening. A heck of a lot more interesting visually.
Storm Front 1 and 2 -- Find a much better way to deal with the Temporal Cold War and don't kill it. Draw connections to the TCW and the Romulans ... which I think they were alluding to since season 1.
Boy, it's sad for ENT ... I could just keep going. Sometimes I wonder if they were attempting to sabotage the show.
Harbinger -- Focus the story around the Sphere Builders -- who they are and what they do as the true A story (and devote the most time to it). Have the episode come earlier so that Reed/Hayes fight is more interesting and that Trip/T'Pol's relationship is more surprising.
Damage -- Have T'Pol become addicted to trellium in order to increase her immunity to the toxin thinking that way Enterprise could line the ship rather than addicted to "fit in." That way, if you're going to do a relationship later between Trip and T'Pol it feels less like an afterschool special.
Bound -- Have T'Pol and Hoshi Sato save the day, and if you're going with a bond between Trip and T'Pol ... show it from the beginning.
Home -- Focus more time on Archer's struggle to regain his lost self from the Expanse and focus less on a relationship with Erika Hernandez. For T'Pol, for crying out loud, show that she has to struggle to find herself again. And make Vulcan Vulcan. The Vulcan arc, for example, was more alien.
Hatchery -- Have people worried from the very beginning that their captain has finally gone over the deep end, and make Archer's actions less sympathize-able.
Demons/Terra Prime -- Have the characters remember E2 (and react to it), have Trip and T'Pol go incognito and make Terra Prime a whole lot scarier. Skip the crappy dialog that came from Archer about "clap louder." Draw more connections to Archer and the Terra Prime, making some of his own staff wonder whether he was in it because of his season 1 attitude about the Vulcans. Also, make it clear from the beginning what Terra Prime intends to do with the infant (enable the audience to find out without the characters knowing).
Klingon arc -- If you're going the bond direction between Trip/T'Pol, make their sequences more like that of Archer and Surak in Awakening. A heck of a lot more interesting visually.
Storm Front 1 and 2 -- Find a much better way to deal with the Temporal Cold War and don't kill it. Draw connections to the TCW and the Romulans ... which I think they were alluding to since season 1.
Boy, it's sad for ENT ... I could just keep going. Sometimes I wonder if they were attempting to sabotage the show.
