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Remembrance of the Daleks

Garth Rockett

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I recently got Remembrance of the Daleks on DVD. It's the first McCoy story I've seen. I found him an enjoyable Doctor and the story was pretty good but I wasn't completely in love with it. For the time being I think I'm going to concentrate my DVD efforts on the first three doctors, cherrypick from Four and Five, and put Six and Seven on the back burner.

A few thoughts about the story occurred to me as I was rewatching Part Two with the text commentary last night. The episode certainly implies that the Hand of Omega was taken from Gallifrey by the First Doctor and left in the casket shortly before the beginning of "An Unearthly Child." If that was the case, it seems to me that this wouldn't have been looked upon too favorably by the Time Lords given that One's departure was not on the best of terms. It also raises the question of whether the Doctor left the Hand of Omega with the intention of using it against the Daleks all along. If so, that would cause a problem since the First Doctor had not encountered the Daleks prior to "An Unearthly Child".

However, as I rewatched it I noticed that one does not necessarily have to conclude that the First Doctor left the Hand of Omega on Earth in 1963. We are meant to think it was him, given the setting, but the episode does not explicitly say.

The undertaker says the Doctor was described to him as an older man with white hair. That description is vague enough that it could also apply to the Third Doctor. It could possibly even apply to the Second Doctor in a Season 6b scenario. If it was one of these two, I could find it easier to believe that the Doctor did leave the Hand of Omega here intending to use it against the Daleks the whole time (which would explain why it was sent back to Gallifrey at the end). It could also possibly mean that he did so on a mission from the Time Lords in their ongoing conflict with the Daleks, much as Four was on a mission in Genesis of the Daleks.

What do you think? Am I overlooking something?
 
I think it's one of those things where the first Dalek story has been retconned to have The Doctor knowing who the Daleks are, even though all events played out the same. However, if we're going to retcon it, I like your suggested idea that it was all a con on his part. A con that even the viewer isn't in on....until about forty years later when we learn of The Time War. ;) Same with Hartnell/McCoy's actions for Remembrance and the Hand of Omega, and Baker in Genesis...
 
However, as I rewatched it I noticed that one does not necessarily have to conclude that the First Doctor left the Hand of Omega on Earth in 1963. We are meant to think it was him, given the setting, but the episode does not explicitly say.

They don't say it's him exactly, but the guy in the funeral parlour does tell his boss on the phone that the person who left it was older with white (or grey?) hair.

I really liked this one, I bought it on DVD a few months ago after losing my copy. I was telling the girl shopping with me how much I liked it and it was (in my opinion, anywa) McCoy's best... a kid was hovering around listening and ended up in frnot of me when I went to pay for it and picked up the same DVD.

It seemed to be the kind of thing McCoy wanted to do, I think he says so in the commentary, and was a nice link to old Who (better than Colin Baker returning to the site previously).

I got the impression the earlier Doctors were something important, though I'm likely wrong in that. I think I assumed it from a line in the Deadly Assassin though I can't remember the line and it might refer to Two. Which is not helpful.
 
Actually I rewatched The Daleks just a couple of weeks ago and realized that the Doctor never actually comes out and says that he wasn't familiar with the Daleks. So it Rememberance may not be that big a stretch.

It could be that the Daleks found out about the Hand later on, or the Doctor even leaked the information in order the set a trap.

We also have the Gallifreyan orbital defence thing he made off with in Silver Nemesis. So theres definately more to the Doctor than just someone who got bored and decided to run away from home.
 
They don't say it's him exactly, but the guy in the funeral parlour does tell his boss on the phone that the person who left it was older with white (or grey?) hair.

Yes, but as I mentioned earlier that's vague enough that it could describe Pertwee as well as Hartnell. It could also possibly describe a Season 6b Troughton if his aged appearance in the Two Doctors wasn't just due to shorting out the time differential.

I suppose The Daleks doesn't have to be the Doctor's first encounter with them, although that would probably raise some questions too. I need to go back and rewatch that.
 
I'm just waiting to get my hands on the restored version they included in the Davros boxset. Apparently it'll be some time before they release this version separately though.

But I've always liked the episode. It's one of only two McCoy stories I have.
 
We also have the Gallifreyan orbital defence thing he made off with in Silver Nemesis. So theres definately more to the Doctor than just someone who got bored and decided to run away from home.

Maybe The Doctor just doesn't trust the Timelords with them and let's face it, his dealings with the Time Lords and especially the Celestial Intervention Agency haven't done much to change.

Remember the 6th Doctor's comments about the corruption of the Time Lords when on trial and starting with the events of The Mysterious Planet.
 
Remembrance is one of the very best Who stories of the 80s, and possibly ever. The only McCoy that surpasses it in my opinion is The Curse of Fenric, but without Remembrance laying the groundwork Fenric wouldn't have happened.
 
But I've always liked the episode. It's one of only two McCoy stories I have.

That wouldn't be too hard. I think it's one of only 4 McCoy stories currently available on DVD (along with "The Curse of Fenric," "Ghost Light," & "Survival").

But I agree that it's a great story. It's the one that made me fall in love with McCoy as the Doctor and, for a time, considered him my favorite Doctor. (In my estimation, he's since been surpassed by David Tennant and by watching more old Patrick Troughton stories.)
 
This is one of my fav stories, in that it shows the Doctor as being slightly manipulative, with a dark edge to him, verging on sinister, something McCoy carried off well.

This comes to it's fore in Curse of Fenric when you realise that the Doctor knew of Ace's past since he picked her up from the iceworld.
 
Maybe The Doctor just doesn't trust the Timelords with them and let's face it, his dealings with the Time Lords and especially the Celestial Intervention Agency haven't done much to change.

Remember the 6th Doctor's comments about the corruption of the Time Lords when on trial and starting with the events of The Mysterious Planet.

I always like the idea suggested way back in the FASA DW RPG that the Doctor was part of a failed student uprising and was basically running for his life when he left Gallifrey. I could see him stealing the Hand, and the defense system just to keep them out of the hands of a High Council that he disagreed with. Obviously things settled down later since he had no problem returning both items.
 
um, yes? you are aware of this episode called "School Reunion" and this series called "The Sarah-Jane Adventures" aren't you?
 
Sophie just did a companion chronicles and she's done loads of work with Sylvester without pictures... IN which Ace has grown up quite a bit since there is no glass ceiling on her adventures with the Doctor like everyone else almost... The behind the scenes stuff is hilarious. In 2003 when Big finish was gearing towards it's 40th anniversary special, Sophie said "Gosh I feel old, I was doing the show when it turned 25."

Sophie would be a grand addition.
 
Ace reappaearing could be cool, but there are a few companions I'd rather see first. That said I doubt very much we will see any more companions. You can't have too many School Reunions after all.
 
Ace reappaearing could be cool, but there are a few companions I'd rather see first. That said I doubt very much we will see any more companions. You can't have too many School Reunions after all.

I still wish they'd work on an episode based on my Doctor Light story idea.

All the companions who were still alive after their adventures, and were still around in the year 2010 came together as a sort of support group. You could have everyone from Ian and Dodo to Mickey Smith and Adam.
 
Neat idea but I think it'd be way too confusing for the average NuWho viewer. Explaining who Sarah Jane is is one thing, explaining who a whole bunch of former companions are is a whole nother ball game...might work with 3 or 4, especially if some of them were modern companions.

I'd love to see Tegan again but unlikely ever to happen.
 
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