Remastered "The Cage"- REALLY "in its entirety"?

[gastrof]

We've heard that "The Cage" will be run without cuts when it airs.

One problem-
Wasn't it 65 min. long?

How are they going to manage that? My local station normally runs them at 7PM now, unless something odd comes up (and then it's back to 1AM the next morning).

Won't it throw things off for a station's schedule, even if run late at night/early in the morning?

 

[NathanielM]

gastrof said:
We've heard that "The Cage" will be run without cuts when it airs.

One problem-
Wasn't it 65 min. long?

How are they going to manage that? My local station normally runs them at 7PM now, unless something odd comes up (and then it's back to 1AM the next morning).

Won't it throw things off for a station's schedule, even if run late at night/early in the morning?

Remastered or not, they won't be able to... the original film was lost, and destroyed after it was aired. The cut you see is STILL going to be the mix betwen original and the "The Menagerie pt 1 and 2" Film with the colorized versions of Spock on trial...

I would not hold yer breath on this.

 

[gastrof]

What do you mean, they "won't be able to"? It's on the schedule. And what would it being the hybrid version have to do with the remastering anyway?

As a side point, "Court Martial" was NOT a two parter, and it had no footage from "The Cage". The two parter that did was called "The Menagerie".

Also, while you (apparently) and I strongly suspect the full-color version of "The Cage" is a mixture of MENAGERIE and colorized B&W footage, the official claim by Paramount is that the full-color version is NOT a hybrid, but was made from a full-color copy more recently found in storage.

 

[Warped9]

If they could put together a full colour restored version of "The Cage" on the previous dvd set then they should be able to remaster it with their cartoony new f/x shots.

 

[gastrof]

PLEASE people...

This is NOT about whether or not a remastered "Cage" is possible.

This is about it being shown uncut when it's 65 minutes long.

Let's not get off subject, (despite my own guilt in that area).

 

[Warped9]

If they're not showing the TOS episodes at their original 51 minutes running time uncut then it's pretty well a damned certainty they're not going to show the original "Cage" at its 65 minute running time.

 

[NathanielM]

Warped9 said:
If they're not showing the TOS episodes at their original 51 minutes running time uncut then it's pretty well a damned certainty they're not going to show the original "Cage" at its 65 minute running time.

I am still interested in hearing more about the recent "The Cage" episode (color) they found in storage.

The full episode and not the Menagerie cut they had to put together to release "The Cage" the first time. (originally to VHS)


So what lie did Paramount tell to keep that hidden and never release until just now... Sorry folks the paramount "Oops! Look what we just found, and we didn't know we had it..." just does not cut it.

I suspect a big kobashi naru here. I can bet that Roddenberry never was told they had it and once again Paramount, despite his death, still railroads his series and his creation.

Once more the Paramount Stupidity astonishes me! Rise up Trekkers and storm the Paramount Lot and photon torpedo the CEO's office! (PTHFFT)

 

[gastrof]

PLEASE stop hijacking the thread!

We can talk about the other matter in private or in another thread!

 

[gastrof]

Warped9 said:
If they're not showing the TOS episodes at their original 51 minutes running time uncut then it's pretty well a damned certainty they're not going to show the original "Cage" at its 65 minute running time.

And THAT is the very point I'm making. The official announcement was that it WOULD be shown "in its entirety" which I read as "uncut". HOW can that work?

 

[Outpost4]

By showing it over an hour and a half. Make it a special.

 

[Warped9]

^^ And there you are. Simple.

 

[NCC621]

By "in its entirety," they probly mean that they're showing a syndication-length (cut down) version of "The Cage," which has scenes that weren't included in the further-trimmed version that was part of "The Menagerie."

 

[Mallory]

Outpost4 said:
By showing it over an hour and a half. Make it a special.

That's certainly what I expect. Of course, based on your local station that may or may not happen.

 

[Outpost4]

^ At fucking 12:30 AM Saturday night, I think my local station can find the extra time.

 

[DizzyMan]

I love living in the UK. Most of our TV stations don't stick to strict hour/half-hour timeslots as the American stations seem to. (Plus we don't even have commercials on our main channels.)

So, no cuts for time purposes. Although we still get stupid channels that cut things for various other silly reasons. And we still get stupid timeslots. For example, Seinfeld (one of the most popular sitcoms ever) was only ever shown here at around midnight on BBC2 (the less mainstream channel).

 

[doctorwho 03]

I think what will happen is "The Cage" will be shown like a movie on TV. Being 65 minutes or so, it will have the hour and a half timeslot, with unnatural commercial breaks to let ads fill up the extra 25 minutes or so. Being the first pilot, it wasn't formatted to fill up the standard hour timeslot and allow commercials (and that was back in the 1960s. Even todays timeslot is not enough for it which just goes to show how money grubbing corporate america is.) I think the UK has the better idea when it comes to television: NO F*#)ING COMMERCIALS!!! or at least save them until after the program that way I can turn off the TV before I see them.

 

[Ronald Held]

So will it be shown without cuts, even with too many commercial breaks?

 

[gastrof]

DizzyMan said:
I love living in the UK. Most of our TV stations don't stick to strict hour/half-hour timeslots as the American stations seem to. (Plus we don't even have commercials on our main channels.)

So, no cuts for time purposes...

And no way to consistently schedule your viewing, especially in regards to changing from one channel to another. No consistent start and stop times that you can depend on, no matter what channel(s) you're viewing.

 

[Kegek]

^
It has its advantages and disadvantages, to be sure. Another obvious disadvantage is that we get American products, which form the bulk of television, later than America gets them.

Still, most channels stay more or less within the hour-per-show mark. And the BBC channels - which routinely feature the origiinal Star Trek - have no advertisements at all. It's a state funded channel.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Outpost4 said:
^ At fucking 12:30 AM Saturday night, I think my local station can find the extra time.

And give up all that valuable infomercial slots?