Reluctant Fan Needs Crucial Spoilers First, Please...

[M'Sharak]

Is it very bad to consider 90210 one's guilty pleasure?

I've never watched 90210, so I'm not qualified to comment, but I don't believe in guilty pleasures. If I enjoy something -- if I am entertained by it -- then screw guilt. Guilt doesn't belong in the equation.

To Heimchen: the only reliable way to find out if you'll like something is to experience it yourself; everything you get by other means is going to be filtered through someone else's perception of it (especially when that someone is giving you "Oh, teh noes! It's like 90210!!!1one!" as a reason not to see it.)

Go see the movie. Then, you'll know whether you like it or not.

 

[Cyke101]

He asked for "crucial spoilers," and my post contains the crucial spoilers.

Well, there's crucial and then there's SUPER crucial

I don't know, I just wouldn't want to rob the OP of anything more than necessary in order to enjoy the flick iz all.

It's Kirk. He's going to save the planet and the Federation.

Yeah, but he does it without ripping his shirt. That's not the Kirk I know!

 

[pookha]

How old is Kirk in this one when he first captains the Enterprise? Does he wind up in charge because of some all the senior officers get killed and only the juniors/cadets are left scenario?

Senior officers don't get killed, they are just...indisposed at the time, which prompts the Starfleet to outfit the new Enterprise, on her maiden voyage, mostly with cadets. As far as I could tell, apart from captain Pike, almost everyone on Enterprise was a n00b..

there are a lot of older people but they mostly seem to be technical positions and not in line of command.

partly because kirk has an understnading of what is going in and because he is the type of commander pike has been wanting starfleet to have..
plus kirk was so good he may have set a record for going through the academy..
pike makes him first officer when he hands command over to spock.

something happens were spock can no longer be in command and as appointed first officer kirk assumes command.

 

[Aragorn]

Since you're part of the "say 90210 without any follow through" crowd, isn't it pointless what anyone else here says since you've already made up your mind?

 

[Lt. Trull]

and I dont think that pike would change anything when he reassumed captain of the enterprise.... kirk would still be first officer; and spock... still emotionally compromised, third in command....

kirk would take the enterprise back to pick up spock prime. he was the only one who knew where he was. (besides scotty)... kirk would have introduced pike to spock prime. explanations would happen.

pike would becomes admiral... kirk still first officer becomes captain.

 

[Therin of Andor]

the people staffing the Enterprise just look too darn young!

Lieutenant Saavik, Midshipman Peter Preston, Acting Ensign Wesley Crusher, Cadet Nog...

"Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young..."

pike would becomes admiral... kirk still first officer becomes captain.

Maybe the next movie will be like "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", and Admiral Pike stays aboard - like Admiral Nelson, keeping an eye on Captain Crane?

 

[Qonos]

I still haven't gone to see the new Star Trek movie, not because of anything to do with its alternate universe aspects or because of anything to do with the story, actors or directing per se, but for one simple reason: the people staffing the Enterprise just look too darn young!

How old is Kirk in this one when he first captains the Enterprise? Does he wind up in charge because of some all the senior officers get killed and only the juniors/cadets are left scenario? Does he stay in charge when the situation blows over? It's ridiculous, I know... I'll buy any sort of silly alien and 'science' that would make even a writer at the Weekly World News cringe, but the thought of a too-young captain in charge of any top-line ship anywhere just really, really puts me off...

Somebody convince me that it's all more believable than it appears so I can finally go see this darn thing with some expectation of liking it! Or alternately, that it plays enough like some hilariously bad, messed-up fanfic set in the 90210 Mirror Universe that I could enjoy it for laughs.

Stop b eing a namby pamby and go see the freaken film already.

Jesus. I wish we had some LOLCats stuff that dealt with fanboys.

 

[Jeri]

Well, there's crucial and then there's SUPER crucial

I don't know, I just wouldn't want to rob the OP of anything more than necessary in order to enjoy the flick iz all.

It's Kirk. He's going to save the planet and the Federation.

Yeah, but he does it without ripping his shirt. That's not the Kirk I know!

("I see you got your shirt off!")

 

[Heimchen]

Thanks, everyone, for your input, especially IDIC, who provided exactly the straight dope I was looking for.

This one really does sound like it's written on a young adult level, which would be fine with me if it was done with that smirky, tongue in cheek humour about it that tells you that even the people making the movie know how darn ridiculous it all is. Unfortunately, I didn't get that tone from any of the trailers I've seen on TV and nobody here has mentioned it either. I only like teen wish-fulfillment fantasies when they're done like Transformers--loved that movie...very funny. I could handle a just-graduated Kirk rocketing up the chain of command and then retaining his rank if it was played like the goofy stuff in Transformers.

Ah well, I'll catch it on Spike TV a couple of years from now some night at work when I'm working a midnight shift. I'll try anything when it's free and I'm being paid during the time it takes to watch it instead of the other way around! I'm glad the movie's doing well and I'm glad it's snagging new fans. Maybe I'll like the look of the TV series better...

Signed, a jaded old fanbroad

 

[Cyke101]

Thanks, everyone, for your input, especially IDIC, who provided exactly the straight dope I was looking for.

This one really does sound like it's written on a young adult level, which would be fine with me if it was done with that smirky, tongue in cheek humour about it that tells you that even the people making the movie know how darn ridiculous it all is. Unfortunately, I didn't get that tone from any of the trailers I've seen on TV and nobody here has mentioned it either. I only like teen wish-fulfillment fantasies when they're done like Transformers--loved that movie...very funny. I could handle a just-graduated Kirk rocketing up the chain of command and then retaining his rank if it was played like the goofy stuff in Transformers.

Ah well, I'll catch it on Spike TV a couple of years from now some night at work when I'm working a midnight shift. I'll try anything when it's free and I'm being paid during the time it takes to watch it instead of the other way around! I'm glad the movie's doing well and I'm glad it's snagging new fans. Maybe I'll like the look of the TV series better...

Signed, a jaded old fanbroad

Frankly, it sounds like you made up your mind well before starting this thread. No one is pissy, no one is melodramatic. Spock could be considered emo if he hadn't kicked so much Romulan booty (and even then, you feel his sorrow during a crucial plot point -- and it's about his mom, not teenage love). And one of the key plot points is that Kirk is a full grown adult in his mid 20s but had less maturity and focus than an 18 yr old.

I really don't get this whole Young Adult vibe when most of the main characters are aged between 25-38, and Chekov (aka Russian Wesley Crusher) doesn't have any teen drama around him.

To put it into perspective:
Shatner Kirk was in his early 30s when he became Captain, Chekov was in his early 20s when we first saw him (older than his alt self, but younger than the rest of the movie's crew)
Riker was in his late 20s/early 30s when he became XO for the E-D
Kira was in her early 20s at the start of the show, Bashir only a couple years older
Paris was of the same age, and Kim was fresh from the Academy

If anything, the movie plays as if it was an introduction to TOS, like the first season of any Trek spinoff.