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Reliant pod question

Wingsley

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I have a question about the Reliant from TMP2:

Could the "roll bar" pod containing the torpedo bays also have had enough volume for a small warp drive engineering room? I'm thinking of the new design shown by the New Voyages fan film outfit, in which they seem to suggest this torpedo bay was originally a full-blown secondary hull.

Any thoughts?
 
I suppose it could, but it seems to strike me as making more sense to go with something like the Anton class from FASA.
 
The configuration they use for the trailer is an actual secondary hull, but in terms of the Miranda design, I say no. It's too small to be anything other than a specific weapons pod.
 
A pod that has been shown to be optional and removeable, so it'd be pretty pointless to put the warp drive in there.

Looks like NV's concept in the footage is a full, permanent secondary hull, not just a pod.
 
A pod that has been shown to be optional and removeable, so it'd be pretty pointless to put the warp drive in there.

Looks like NV's concept in the footage is a full, permanent secondary hull, not just a pod.

In theory a Miranda with a science fit could have tubes elsewhere (if needed - but the Saratoga in DS9 had them somewhere) and a big lab complex stuck on top, with a sensor array in close proximity, presumably also with some form of turbolift access...
 
One of aridas' and Todd's Miranda-cousin concepts, the Endurance, had a datalink pod in place of the torpedo system. Apart from that, fan designs are surprisingly short on alternative pod designs. One might postulate at least some sort of a battlefield repair and recovery kit and some sort of a planetary assault support system.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I've always wanted to have sex with my girlfriend in a huge vat of ice cream.

And sphaghetti.

And other various things.....
 
I wouldn't put a warp core in the rollbar!
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When STII came out in 1982 there was speculation that the Reliant was the new NCL being introduced in Expansion #2 which was just released around that time. But we thought it may have been a NCLX given that it was "movie Era" technology. The external photon pod on the Reliant solves one of the most pressing problems of Fed ship design...the heavy "direct fire" weapons limited to the FA arc. Reliant solves this HUGE PROBLEM by expanding it to FA / RA thus depriving your opponent of the preference to move on your rear where you are least defended. This idea is not new to Trek in that the Klingon ships in TMP where they were introduced had a RA heavy direct fire weapon. ( torpedo ). Tactically this as a new feature in Fed ship design would be a Godsend.

From what little I remember hearing about the Reliant when it was approved for STII, it's design was signed upside down, thus making the designers feel that the design was approved as presented inverse on top instead of origionally designed with it on the bottom with the weapon's pod origionally intended on the underside of the ship. So this says then that the Reliant was origionally intended as designed to have it's torp pods below and it's warp engines on top like the Enterprise. But turning the design upside down definately makes it stand out more in the threatre in contrast to the Enterprise with engines on top, and torps below. I know they were concerned that the ship needed to look different from the Enterprise so that the movie audience wouldn't be confused as to which ship they were looking at on the screen during the combat scenes. And the external torpedo pod may very well have been a smaller secondary hull. But given it's scale size in relation to the similar torpedo bay on the Enterprise's dorsal, I would seriously rule out that it was intended for anything else than a external photon torpedo bay given it's rather small size.

So my answer is Torp bay...and not intended for really anything else.
 
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Yes, initially that was how the Reliant was designed. When the drawings were sent to Harve Bennett for his approval, he opened them upside down and saw the ship as we're now familiar with it, and the inversion stuck.
 
The external photon pod on the Reliant solves one of the most pressing problems of Fed ship design...the heavy "direct fire" weapons limited to the FA arc. Reliant solves this HUGE PROBLEM by expanding it to FA / RA thus depriving your opponent of the preference to move on your rear where you are least defended. Tactically this as a new feature in Fed ship design would be a Godsend.
This issue has always seemed overblown to me. Torpedoes are "seeking" weapons; they will seek out a target regardless of where you fired it from. Yes, there will be a time lag as a forward fired torpedo moves in an arc to a rear target, but if you're in state when that amount of time is too long then you're probably screwed already.

And when it comes to firing arcs the refit E is loaded with phaser turrets covering just about every angle, often with multiple turrets.

A dedicated torpedo pod that resides apart from the ship and is only accessible by transporters or thin tubes has never made much sense to me. It seems more likely that they could switch out pods for different missions, much like the future Nebula class. That begs the question as to why the Reliant on a scientific mission has a four-barrelled torpedo pod, but it wouldn't be the first poor design choice by ILM on Star Trek.
 
That begs the question as to why the Reliant on a scientific mission has a four-barrelled torpedo pod

(As mused on the parallel thread...)

Why would the Reliant mission in ST2 be a "scientific" one? It sounds more akin to the job of sailing the first atomic bomb from California to Tinian - a military mission of extreme secrecy, requiring little in the way of scientific instrumentation (basically, two guys in spacesuits plus one tricorder can do the science part) but a lot in the way of defenses if the enemy chooses to pay attention.

Timo Saloniemi
 
A dedicated torpedo pod that resides apart from the ship and is only accessible by transporters or thin tubes has never made much sense to me.

Why not? It's a fully automated, unmanned, auxiliary pod. No different than something hanging under an F-15. It shouldn't need to be accessed at all, until the hit spacedock for reloads.

It seems more likely that they could switch out pods for different missions, much like the future Nebula class.

Agreed!
 
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