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It would be more correct to say that the Kzinti were replaced by the Mirak, since they look nothing alike.
 
I don't understand why the origins of the Vulcan race is such a mystery. If they aren't native to Vulcan, then their DNA won't match most other life-forms on Vulcan.

That's not really an origin, though, it's a lack of an origin. The mystery is "well what really happened if we didn't evolve here?" :p

But that also wouldn't fit if it was a seeded humanoid race that interbred with a local race, like Christopher suggested. Spock did say there were anomalies in their prehistories, after all, not certainties; it could be that there was some fossil evidence that suggested Vulcans evolved on Vulcan and other fossil evidence that suggested otherwise.

DNA decay would cause trouble too. You won't be able to get reliable DNA samples from more than about a million years ago, because the DNA would have decayed too much even in a fossilized sample, and anything over about 6.8 million years ago would be completely broken down with essentially no chance of even a single surviving base-pair bond; the half-life of DNA is only about 500 years or so (meaning that half of all DNA bonds in a sample would be broken after about 500 years). Granted, Sargon's people were about 500,000 years ago, but samples from that long ago still wouldn't necessarily be significant enough to pin down an evolutionary history definitively.
 
You wouldn't need to look for fossilized DNA. You just need to compare modern Vulcan DNA to the DNA of various animal species on Vulcan. If the DNA matches at least partially, then you know that Vulcans are native to Vulcan.
 
You wouldn't need to look for fossilized DNA. You just need to compare modern Vulcan DNA to the DNA of various animal species on Vulcan. If the DNA matches at least partially, then you know that Vulcans are native to Vulcan.

Well, except that all humanoid life in Trek descends from the same original DNA source panspermically seeded across the galaxy 4 billion years ago. Which is why other planets contain not only humanoids, but equivalents of other Earth organisms like horses, dogs, fish, birds, spiders, all the familiar-looking species of tree and grass, etc. So it's all based on the same DNA code to begin with. So you'd have to do a more detailed comparison than that to determine origin.
 
Thanks to a fun scene in "The Lost Years" novel, the Arcturian clones (of ST:TMP) would seem to be related to the bulbous-nosed, large-eared alien whom McCoy meets in the bar in ST III. I have often speculated about the possible connection between the bar alien and TMP's Arcturians, due to JM Dillard's novel, in which an Arcturian has identical speech patterns to the bar alien. And they have similar ears and noses, I reckon. The droopy skin flaps (TMP) are an attribute of cloning?


Arcturians all?
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That's interesting idea. I was wondering if he was a Tiburonian.
 
You wouldn't need to look for fossilized DNA. You just need to compare modern Vulcan DNA to the DNA of various animal species on Vulcan. If the DNA matches at least partially, then you know that Vulcans are native to Vulcan.

Even discounting Christopher's point about the shared origin of all humanoid life in Trek meaning that DNA would be similar cross-planet, how would you rule out a seeded humanoid race crossbreeding with a native humanoid race in the distant past through that method?
 
I guess you can't rule it out completely. If that were the case, you'd expect to find an unusually high number of new genes when you compare Vulcans and their closest living primate relative. Then again, Vulcan might not have any equivalent of apes or monkeys. Spock's World describes a solar flare which wiped out most of Vulcan's animal life about 500,000 years ago.
 
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Of course, that does sound like exactly the sort of thing that could be described as "anomalies in Vulcan's prehistory" too, so it works out perfectly. :D
 
I found another example of related species.

Nrakans and Sanoorans (GK #41 - The Evictors)

Took me a few moments to figure out you meant Gold Key. I just re-read that story -- it's actually pretty interesting and could've made a decent episode, if better written.
 
A fascinating read, this thread.

Would it be logical or naive to assume that several lookalike species (reused makeup) are related, like Dopterians and Kobheerians?
 
A fascinating read, this thread.

Would it be logical or naive to assume that several lookalike species (reused makeup) are related, like Dopterians and Kobheerians?

Probably depends on the context, but in general, it seems reasonable. Ancient civilizations could've had multiple offshoot races across the galaxy. Younger civilizations could've been transplanted by Preserver-type cultures or Skagaran-style slavers. Or maybe these species have been spacefaring far longer than humans have and their colonies have just come to consider themselves as different peoples, or genetically engineered themselves into different species.

We've seen a number of reuses of the Promellian makeup, so I suggested in Tower of Babel that the Promellians could have a number of descendant civilizations under different names.
 
Reminder: To the best of my knowledge, "Arret" is canonical only as the name of the Earth-analogue planet in the alternate universe of "The Counter-Clock Incident." Sargon's planet has no canonical name. The earliest published reference applying that name to that planet (or "Neural" to Tyree's planet, for that matter) was Bjo's Concordance.
 
Reminder: To the best of my knowledge, "Arret" is canonical only as the name of the Earth-analogue planet in the alternate universe of "The Counter-Clock Incident." Sargon's planet has no canonical name. The earliest published reference applying that name to that planet (or "Neural" to Tyree's planet, for that matter) was Bjo's Concordance.

Not canonical, no, but it's since been established in the Novelverse. I can't remember if it came up in Buried Age or if it was just Sargon's people themselves, but their empire was definitely referred to as Arretian in Watching the Clock.

And for what it's worth, according to Memory Alpha it was apparently used in that "Explored Galaxy" star chart they used as a background thing in 24th century Trek all the time.
 
Heh. How about those near-human species in TOS who the Vulcan ship commander in DTI - Forgotten History guesses Kirk might be?
 
Heh. How about those near-human species in TOS who the Vulcan ship commander in DTI - Forgotten History guesses Kirk might be?

Those were both TOS species even, weren't they? I'm pretty sure the Halkans were one of the ones he asked about, I forget what the other was. (Others? Was it more than two?)
 
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