IMO she lost her likability during the affair last year.
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I know the actress is stunning, figuratively the most beautiful woman in the universe, breath-taking, so it's clear how ####ing annoying Mary is becoming that I'm also in the kill Mary Camp.
Kill Camp Mary?
Kill Camp Mary?
There were more novels written than they ever televised, and those dealt with the years that Anne and Gilbert were married. One of the novels is about their daughter, Rilla (obviously named after Marilla, Anne's beloved guardian who was played by Colleen Dewhurst on TV).
Sarah Polley became a director, and is a very good one.
First of all, the actresses weren't children. And even a 15-year-old noblewoman was expected to know her way around a dance floor in those days... because by that time, she would have had 8-10 years' worth of lessons. Young male nobles received dance instruction as well, because it was considered an essential part of an aristocrat's education.
Second of all, the "dancing" on the show doesn't resemble any kind of medieval or Tudor-era dancing I've ever seen, whether in other historical dramas, reference materials, or SCA dancing.
If they couldn't have afforded a professional dance instructor, they should have hired a few SCA dance instructors. There are probably several in the region where this was filmed, and since SCA dancing (there are even University of Ithra courses on dancing; I took one of them) is based on historical research, the TV series would have been more authentic in those scenes.
What I saw on TV was a cross between a minimal attempt at authenticity (the hand-to-hand movements and lifts), but the rest of it looked like slow-motion disco and modern country/western line dancing for couples. And there was zero attempt to make the background music match the dance scenes. In one instance it sounded like hillbilly music during an attempt at a stately, dignified dance, and in many other scenes it was some kind of rock music or what I tend to think of as "generic radio music."
Dancing among the nobility was considered a very important skill, especially for women (I was pleased that there was a scene where Mary's ladies were being taught a new dance), and it's something they begin learning as children. And of course people danced just for fun, but the formal occasions were also opportunities to speak with people it would be inappropriate to speak with on normal occasions. If you're trying to carry on a flirtation with a particular person, the dances where partners change regularly are especially handy for this. Because you're dancing with several partners, you're not singling out any specific person (or at least not being seen doing so).
But I rather suspect that of course they would have hired some sort of dance instructor who had the attitude of "meh... who cares if it's slipshod or too modern, the audience won't know the difference."
I will say that as the characters got older their costumes got less weird and slightly more authentic, though still not even close to accurate.
I call everyone under 30, most people over 30 and some people over 40 children so long as it seems that they can't hurt me.
I had never noticed the dancing was shit. I will now pay more attention. Thank you.
I liked Take this Waltz, but the problem with being behind the camera, is that if you want to write direct and produce, until you really get the production line sorted out, one can spend the better part of a decade working night and day on a single project, which can leave your IMDB listing seeming light.
So yeah, I should have scrolled down to see what she's up to currently.
My Sarah is still working.
I had never noticed the dancing was shit. I will now pay more attention. Thank you.
I liked Take this Waltz, but the problem with being behind the camera, is that if you want to write direct and produce, until you really get the production line sorted out, one can spend the better part of a decade working night and day on a single project, which can leave your IMDB listing seeming light.
So yeah, I should have scrolled down to see what she's up to currently.
My Sarah is still working.
The final season starts tonight on The CW. I bailed on the show after two episodes of the third season, I'm told that most of the characters are now gone, yet I'm strangely curious to see what's become of this Alien Space Bat take on late Tudor history.
Thankfully, I have alcohol at home.
Thankfully, I have alcohol at home.
This show is still on? When?
9 o'clock tonight! Mary is now back in Scotland, and it's time for the scheming that will lead to Mary's downfall!
Historically, she was held in custody by the Earl of Shrewsbury for over a decade. Hopefully the show isn't going to belabor that. Even Philippa Gregory glossed over the last several years in her novel The Other Queen.
The trailer shows Darnley on his way north to Scotland. Since it's the final season, I imagine we'll get a lot of events telescoped together -- Darnley's murder, the Scottish Reformation, James' birth, and Mary's abdication.
I wonder if we'll have the really wild episode where Elizabeth wanted Mary to marry Robert Dudley, and then the two of them would live in England with Elizabeth in a kind of royal threesome.
I wonder if we'll have the really wild episode where Elizabeth wanted Mary to marry Robert Dudley, and then the two of them would live in England with Elizabeth in a kind of royal threesome.
The season premiere wasn't bad. It wasn't as bonkers and batshit as I remember Reign being. Setting aside the all-too-modern soundtrack, it hit the Tudors or Outlander vibe for me, even though i didn't know who half the characters were, since I haven't seen the last twenty-some episodes.
I thought the stuff in France was superfluous. If the show stays focused on the cold war between England and Scotland, Scottish politics, and the efforts by various players (John Knox, Francis Walsingham, William Cecil, her own brother James) to undermine Mary, I think I could really like this.
I thought the stuff in France was superfluous. If the show stays focused on the cold war between England and Scotland, Scottish politics, and the efforts by various players (John Knox, Francis Walsingham, William Cecil, her own brother James) to undermine Mary, I think I could really like this.
Three episodes into the final season, I'm finding the stuff at the French court incredibly tedious. There's not a character here that I care about, not even Evil Anne of Green Gables. (Historically, Catherine de Medici was a non-entity after Francis' death, so her scheming and plotting against her son and daughter is nonsense.)
The Scotland plot last night -- Gideon goes to Scotland to marry Mary, have her abdicate, and move to England under Elizabeth's protection -- has a slight basis in fact. That was essentially Elizabeth's scheme to marry Mary to Robert Dudley, until Elizabeth had second thoughts and pulled the plug on the whole thing.
It looks like next week Reign is going to get back to its batshit insane self, with Charles (the French king) engaging in necrophilia. Is that what happened to Bianca?
The Scotland plot last night -- Gideon goes to Scotland to marry Mary, have her abdicate, and move to England under Elizabeth's protection -- has a slight basis in fact. That was essentially Elizabeth's scheme to marry Mary to Robert Dudley, until Elizabeth had second thoughts and pulled the plug on the whole thing.
It looks like next week Reign is going to get back to its batshit insane self, with Charles (the French king) engaging in necrophilia. Is that what happened to Bianca?
Mary hasn't wed her second husband yet (Darnley, the father of James VI/I), and now she's met the man who will be her third, Bothwell, the man who probably murdered her second and kidnapped her to force her to marry him. I know the vague outline of history, and I have no idea how closely Reign will comport to it.
The storyline in the English court -- Elizabeth is a 16th-century Make a Wish Foundation for Blackwell's daughter Agatha -- was charming if slight. I liked how it actually had an effect on Elizabeth; a chance remark by Agatha before she died led Elizabeth to decide against a war with Scotland.
The French court continues to confound me. The machinations around Charles aren't entirely devoid of interest -- the Reformation in France is interesting (and extremely bloody) -- but the French court is so disconnected from the Mary drama that I really don't understand why it's even there.
The storyline in the English court -- Elizabeth is a 16th-century Make a Wish Foundation for Blackwell's daughter Agatha -- was charming if slight. I liked how it actually had an effect on Elizabeth; a chance remark by Agatha before she died led Elizabeth to decide against a war with Scotland.
The French court continues to confound me. The machinations around Charles aren't entirely devoid of interest -- the Reformation in France is interesting (and extremely bloody) -- but the French court is so disconnected from the Mary drama that I really don't understand why it's even there.
That was toward the end of the first season. I remember that episode! Henry was going mad (he had a brain tumor), and whatever woman he was infatuated with he decided was his queen. Ah, yes, the mad, strange days of season 1, when it seemed like they had a direction for about three episodes, and then they'd change directions entirely.
Sorry it was dismal working experience.
Ridiculous, ridiculous, ridiculous... WOOOOSH! Time Jump!
You'd think that the old lady make up these women were wearing should be more extreme, until you remember that Mary was only 45 years old when she got he chop.
I liked the montage, and I liked the "returning character" because the series had really gone downhill since they left. A little rushed, stuffing a lot into the last 20 minutes, and I had to pause to google if Reign had been cancelled, and then stamp my feet that it had...
This lady had the worst choices in men.
Awful.
Rachel Skarsten, is already got herself a job on Wynona Earp.
Oh god, the threesome.
I suppose the producers thought f###'em, what is the network going to do? Cancel us twice?
You'd think that the old lady make up these women were wearing should be more extreme, until you remember that Mary was only 45 years old when she got he chop.
I liked the montage, and I liked the "returning character" because the series had really gone downhill since they left. A little rushed, stuffing a lot into the last 20 minutes, and I had to pause to google if Reign had been cancelled, and then stamp my feet that it had...
This lady had the worst choices in men.
Awful.
Rachel Skarsten, is already got herself a job on Wynona Earp.
Oh god, the threesome.
I suppose the producers thought f###'em, what is the network going to do? Cancel us twice?
Sorry to bump this thread, but I finally found the opportunity to start the series, and I really liked the Pilot for the most part... although Francis' mother Catherine is a bit too one-off and heavy-handed for my tastes, even for your typical CW dramatic fare.
I do like the cast, which is stocked full of more high-calibre talent than I realized, what with Megan Follows, Alan Van Sprang, and Anna Popplewell being involved, which makes up for the 3 principal leads (Adelaide Kane, Toby Regbo, and Torrance Coombs) being fairly unknown to general audiences.
The show reminds me of Netflix's The Crown, HBO's Game of Thrones, The BBC's The Musketeers, and Showtime's The Tudors - albeit content-adjusted for broadcast television - which is kind of a high bar to clear... so we'll see what happens in future episodes quality-wise.
I do like the cast, which is stocked full of more high-calibre talent than I realized, what with Megan Follows, Alan Van Sprang, and Anna Popplewell being involved, which makes up for the 3 principal leads (Adelaide Kane, Toby Regbo, and Torrance Coombs) being fairly unknown to general audiences.
The show reminds me of Netflix's The Crown, HBO's Game of Thrones, The BBC's The Musketeers, and Showtime's The Tudors - albeit content-adjusted for broadcast television - which is kind of a high bar to clear... so we'll see what happens in future episodes quality-wise.