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Regarding next X-Box and "always online"

^They may have to when sales start to take a nose dive. At least, we can hope they do.

Sales already have taken a nosedive. MS doesn't care, apparently.

I would point to Microsoft's handling of Windows 8 as a perfect counterexample. Before release, people using the Metro interface complained about how it was unsuitable to a desktop. Post-release, people complained even more about this. Now, we've seen previews of the next version, and lo and behold, Microsoft has doubled down on Metro. Yeah, they really give a shit what their customers think. :lol:
That's true, but all the complaints about the Metro interface online have led to the perception that Win8 is a "bad" OS entering the general consumer consciousness, the same way it did for Vista, which has in turn hurt sales for Win8. Its market-share is less than a third of Win7's during the same period following its release. Microsoft clearly believes they can take that hit because of the monopoly they've held in PCs for the last two decades, but Xbox isn't nearly as well established as Windows is. Ignoring the Wii, MS have roughly half the console market from this generation, and they incurred billions of dollars in losses across a decade to reach that point. They don't have a monopoly to leverage, they have to compete with a resurgent Sony, they have to offer gamers something we want or they'll fall by the wayside like Sega did.

I'm one of those people who doesn't think MS ever had a particularly smart strategy for their consoles. The Xbox was a joke that only succeeded (depending on your metric) because MS dumped fucktons of cash into it and basically force-fed it to the market. The 360 was a much better console in terms of hardware design and OS, indicating that they learned some lessons, but the real "killer app" was Xbox Live. The smartest thing MS did was figure out how to build a paid gaming subscription service that works well. They still get lots of praise for that.

It could be that they want to zero in and focus on that particular market, as it provides the holy grail of the software industry: that delicious, delicious recurring revenue. They may find it worth the cost to lose customers who refuse to sign on for such a console, I don't know.

Also, it's worth keeping these things in perspective. There was voluminous complaining about the PS3's price and using it as a BR trojan horse. In the end, it still edged out the 360, because it turns out complaints on the Internet represent only a tiny fraction of a product's total market base. Hell, the 360 still managed to move plenty of units even though it had severe manufacturing defects that, at one time, were bricking about half the consoles sold. You'd think that would be unforgivable, but nope. They still sold, and continue to sell.

I don't know whether MS' next console will require a constant Internet connection, and if it does, what that might entail in terms of the user experience. Only people at MS know that, and they aren't talking right now (on pain of termination, apparently.) What I can say with some confidence is that, if the console turns out to have such a requirement, it will not impact sales to the degree people here assume it will. And that is for one simple reason: people willing to take the time to complain in detail on the Internet are more savvy and demanding consumers than 90% of the people who are going to end up buying and using these consoles.

Do you think most people buying 360s and PS3s knew or cared about the BR vs. HD-DVD format war? Nope. Do you think most knew or cared about the PS3's dramatically more complex hardware which made it difficult to develop for? Nope, they just cared about how much it cost and how expansive the library was. What did people care about? Curiously enough, the extended PSN outage. Turns out people actually like always being connected, and get upset when they suddenly can't be, to the point of Sony giving people free stuff to placate them.

Your average consumer wants to be more and more connected, not less. This is why I don't expect "always online" to be nearly as much of a dealbreaker as is constantly being speculated in this thread.


This is pretty much it.. MS knows they will get a bad rep at online message boards and gaming sites but the majority of their customers don't use those. They get their information from big magazines and ads and they will only see the shiny pretty game videos and the sleek console so they will buy it.

Adam Orth may be an arrogant ass but right down to the reality he was right.. most gamers do tend to have an always on internet connection because most gamers live in urban centres that have the kind of connection needed to use the 720.
Sucks for those in rural areas but MS most likely did the math and came to the conclusion that they stand to gain more by appeasing game developers and lay the foundation for things to come than appeasing and bowing to 10-20% of gamers.

I'll still not buy a mandatory online console even though i have a very stable broadband connection here.. it's about principle. I just don't like being handled by companies that ultimately want my money but also want to dictate the terms how i use their product once i bought it. Once i shell out the money the product should be mine to do with as i please (within legal boundaries of course).
So i vote with my wallet as i have done with other companies.
 
Of course with MS neither really confirming or denying the rumours about the next X-Box being always online. It's generating a decent amount of publcity(at least amongest potential consumers), all of it free.

It's pretty much made my mind up to switch back to playstation though (I've noticed a lot of people saying the same thing), so it seems a bit daft to let the rumours persist if they aren't true.

Why would you let the rumours continue if you weren't seriously considering it?

MS confirms either way, if it's not always online, then instead of people talking about the machine and writing articles about etc.. People aren't really talking about the PS4 instead they are talking the next Xbox and if it is always online. Sure they might be saying if the next Xbox is always online I'll get a PS4.

Well as a current xbox owner but not anyone with a particular preference my ball is firmly in the playstation court at the minute. Judging from comments i've read online and what my friends think (already had one my mate get rid of his xbox and just use his ps3 in anticipation of the next gen) i'm not sure it's the best thing they've ever done to let these rumours persist if they're not true.
 
To me, as stated before the whole "always online" thing isn't a huge issue. I bought an Xbox360, because it came out first. I then bought a PS3 when it came out and I wanted to play uncharted.

I'll get both of the next gen consoles, because fact is both will have games I want to play.

Curious strategy by Microsoft however, if they go through with this despite many not being happy about it. they made a dent the size of the Grand Canyon in Sony's market share this gen, why gamble? Simply go with what worked this gen, and put the effort into making some coups in terms of studio support.

Imagine if Microsoft waved enough money in naughty dog's faces, the PS4 would be dead on arrival without their exclusives.

Regardless, competition is always good for the consumer, so let's hope both produce good consoles.
 
They call it 'Always online'.

I call it 'They reserve the right to micromanage the way I play their games'.

They can force upgrades, they can censor-patch, they can completely shut down the used market, or they can completely disable my ability to play the game at will. And it paves the way for forcing you to pay a subscription service just to keep playing a game you payed for.

If all major consoles switch to any model other than 'Pay once, play forever', and make me keep paying to play games I already bought, I will never buy another new game, period.

There have been hundreds of great games released in the last 30 years, and I don't have to pay another dime to keep paying them. I can entertain myself until I die without buying a single new game. So, always online, no more money from me. Your call Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony.
 
So wait, the new XBox is going to be "always online" and you won't be able to play your games if they aren't connected to the Internet?

So what happens when the XBox 4 comes out and Live is discontinued for XBox 3?? You won't be able to play your XBox 3 games ever again? How is this a good idea???

I don't know about you, but I think this is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of. What a HUUUGE waste of money. "Oh I spent hundreds of dollars on games for my XBox 3, but now they're just a bunch of drink coasters because XBox Live has been discontinued for it."

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually do this, though. I've already noticed that certain of my 360 games, if they have an update for them, don't play offline until you install the update from Live. I find it extremely annoying.
 
So wait, the new XBox is going to be "always online" and you won't be able to play your games if they aren't connected to the Internet?
That is the rumor. It hasn't been officially announced (or denied).

So what happens when the XBox 4 comes out and Live is discontinued for XBox 3?? You won't be able to play your XBox 3 games ever again? How is this a good idea???
Microsoft doesn't care. They already have your money.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually do this, though. I've already noticed that certain of my 360 games, if they have an update for them, don't play offline until you install the update from Live. I find it extremely annoying.
Which games? I've never seen that happen.
 
So wait, the new XBox is going to be "always online" and you won't be able to play your games if they aren't connected to the Internet?
That is the rumor. It hasn't been officially announced (or denied).

So what happens when the XBox 4 comes out and Live is discontinued for XBox 3?? You won't be able to play your XBox 3 games ever again? How is this a good idea???
Microsoft doesn't care. They already have your money.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually do this, though. I've already noticed that certain of my 360 games, if they have an update for them, don't play offline until you install the update from Live. I find it extremely annoying.
Which games? I've never seen that happen.

I can't remember, but I know Transformers War for Cybertron was one, and Dragon Age: Origins wouldn't let me play any of the DLC missions until I logged on and updated the game.
 
I've already noticed that certain of my 360 games, if they have an update for them, don't play offline until you install the update from Live. I find it extremely annoying.
Which games? I've never seen that happen.

I can't remember, but I know Transformers War for Cybertron was one, and Dragon Age: Origins wouldn't let me play any of the DLC missions until I logged on and updated the game.
Ah. With Dragon Age, that's a different scenario - the DLC depends on some content that was included in the patches. If you bought the Ultimate Edition, the game should have already been updated on-disc; if not, since you had the connection once to install the DLC they assume you can (re)connect to patch, I guess.
 
According to an internal Microsoft email, the rumours are false.

There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game.
It's still not an official confirmation, but I think it's solid enough evidence that we can put our pitchforks down.
 
I just came here to post the same thing. I hope this is true....

Watching Live TV, huh??

Coaxial or HDMI input?
 

Seems like it.. MS is in the game to make profit and it may be that they made some calculations about lost customers vs. financial gain with an always on console.

Seems like the result was too uncertain (or plain certain in favor for an unconnected console) and MS didn't want to risk anything.

We will all know for sure in a couple of weeks.
 
Microsoft must have been at least considering blocking used game sales or they would have quashed this rumor a long time ago. Its just damaging their brand. We wont know for sure for years but I think all the backlash is what made them back off it. So please continue complaining about it on the net. Companies do pay attention to it.

And for the posters who said that no one listens to reviews and it doesnt matter what the hardcore think I think that is incorrect. Most people really dont know what the specs are or anything at all but they do get the 'buzz'. It doesn't matter why we all hate the new xbox it only matters that enough people do so that consumers develop a negative feeling towards it.
 
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