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Referencing classic novels?

F. King Daniel

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Modern Trek novels quickly bury the reader in a mass of references to dozens of past Trek episodes and recent novels (for example, Destiny brings up Titan, the pre- and post- Nemesis TNG novels, the post DS9 series and even throws in a tiny bit of Voyager and the disappointing Enterprise relaunch. Articles of the Federation and even the Shaterverse get a nod, too. And that’s just book 1!)

But where are the references to the classic Trek novels? We all know they weren’t allowed to reference each other ‘back in the day’, but what’s stopping them now?

We all know that the real reason for all the references to other modern books is to entice readers to buy them all (which we kind of already have to – anyone else miss standalone books?), and referencing out-of-print novels is probably seen as “a waste of ink that could be used to sell other current books” by editors, but come on: a 30-something year legacy of novels to build on, and they end up being ignored when just half a sentence would do the trick.

In Destiny 1, Geordi reels off a list of Borg that they (or other Trek ships) have freed from the collective. He fails to mention Reannon from ‘Vendetta’, whose road to recovery became Geordi’s pet project. Although a dismal failure, why didn’t she get a mention? As I recall, he was profoundly affected by her death and he certainly wouldn’t have forgotten she existed. Is it because the novel clashes with a later Trek movie or episode? Not that I recall, but even if it does in some slight way, fans know most TV Trek fails to stay consistent, let alone the novels. So what harm would dropping her name in have done?

Anyone else want modern novels to slip in references to “The time there was a Vampire on board” (Bloodthirst and Death’s Angel)? What about “That ship full of 300-year old Russian ghosts” (Ghost Ship)? Ay-Nab’s Dyson Sphere ‘Lyra’ every time Scotty’s one is brought up (The Starless World)? How about a TNG-era reference to Christine Chapel’s Starfield Corporation that may or may not lead to the virtual enslavement of humanity (Crossroad)? As the ads at the back of the novels say “It’s a big universe…”
 
Well, those references do pop up every once in a while. Just speaking for my own work, I put a very aged Janice Kerasus (the linguist from Diane Duane's novels) in the S.C.E. tale War Stories, and made considerable use of the Kinshaya from The Finale Reflection (most aggressively in A Singular Destiny). Plus lots of stuff from Diane's "Rihannsu" books has shown up in the use of the Romulans in contemporary novels.
 
But where are the references to the classic Trek novels? We all know they weren’t allowed to reference each other ‘back in the day’, but what’s stopping them now?

We all know that the real reason for all the references to other modern books is to entice readers to buy them all (which we kind of already have to – anyone else miss standalone books?), and referencing out-of-print novels is probably seen as “a waste of ink that could be used to sell other current books” by editors, but come on: a 30-something year legacy of novels to build on, and they end up being ignored when just half a sentence would do the trick.

"We all know" nothing of the sort. The reason the books reference each other is because they exist in a common continuity. And it's completely untrue that you "have to buy them all." Each series can stand on its own, and usually each individual book within a series can do so as well. Any references to other works are meant mainly as Easter eggs and worldbuilding detail. It's certainly not necessary to know what's going on in Titan to follow the TNG books, or to know the whole DS9 Relaunch saga in order to follow the VGR Relaunch, since these are different crews operating in different parts of the galaxy and even in different time frames. Destiny is the only work where the various series really overlap heavily, and that's only three books affecting three pre-existing series (TNG, TTN, VGR).

The reason older novels aren't referenced often is because most of them are no longer in continuity. They were based on assumptions that have been heavily contradicted by subsequent Trek TV series and movies, and can therefore no longer be treated as "real" events within the Trek universe as it now exists.

Nonetheless, there are multiple references to elements of those older books in plenty of modern novels, as homages if not overt continuity links. As Keith said, many elements of The Final Reflection and Diane Duane's novels have been referenced in modern books, and not just Keith's own books. I alluded to the Eeiauoans from Uhura's Song in my own Ex Machina.
 
King Daniel said:
We all know that the real reason for all the references to other modern books is to entice readers to buy them all (which we kind of already have to – anyone else miss standalone books?), and referencing out-of-print novels is probably seen as “a waste of ink that could be used to sell other current books” by editors, but come on: a 30-something year legacy of novels to build on, and they end up being ignored when just half a sentence would do the trick.

Usually it's just a preference thing with respect to the individual writer, who may or may not be familiar with the older titles. In my case, I can and do make the odd reference when I think I can slip it in, just to see who catches it.

Examples off the top of my head include our installment of the Mere Anarchy series, which features a few sly references to older Trek novels including Enterprise: The First Adventure and Mike Friedman's My Brother's Keeper books. And a far more overt reference to Strangers from the Sky appears in A Time to Sow, with Picard in his ready room, reading the book. :)
 
Anyone else want modern novels to slip in references to “The time there was a Vampire on board” (Bloodthirst and Death’s Angel)? What about “That ship full of 300-year old Russian ghosts” (Ghost Ship)? Ay-Nab’s Dyson Sphere ‘Lyra’ every time Scotty’s one is brought up (The Starless World)? How about a TNG-era reference to Christine Chapel’s Starfield Corporation that may or may not lead to the virtual enslavement of humanity (Crossroad)? As the ads at the back of the novels say “It’s a big universe…”

Yeah! Lets see some mention of klin zha or "Battlecruiser Vengeance" vids... oops! we have.

Or those TFR-style Klingon names with the social status prefixes (zantai-, sutai-, etc.) that were used in a bunch of novels in the '80s and '90s? ...oops: was used as recently as the Vulcan's Soul trilogy...

Come to think of it, the Vulcan's Soul books referenced the Rhinnasu books, Intellivore, and quite a few other things...

How are you missing all these?
 
KINGDANIEL -- I know what you're saying but surely the reference only makes sense if the reader has read that novel which is being referred to? For instance if the next Titan novel was to mention something from 'Spock Must Die etc' would everyone know what was being referred to? I think not, thus imho making the reference pointless.
 
You want to know why I didn't reference Vendetta? Because I've never read it.

I put in continuity references when I think they will help link the work to the shared TrekLit continuity. I'm not trying to sell other people's books, just acknowledging that they exist.
 
KINGDANIEL -- I know what you're saying but surely the reference only makes sense if the reader has read that novel which is being referred to? For instance if the next Titan novel was to mention something from 'Spock Must Die etc' would everyone know what was being referred to? I think not, thus imho making the reference pointless.

Although I didn't find them pointless, but I havn't read the COE/SCE line of stories nor the IKS Gorkon/Klingon Empire ones so when whole chapters were devoted to them in A Singular Destiny I was kind of thrown out of the story and scratching my head a bit.
 
I'd love to see some references to the rifts/gates from "Abode of Life/Chain of Attack/The Final Nexus". It was well before the Bajoran wormhole was being used, and it seems like the people of the 23rd century would have investigated the fall out from those events when they happened.

Particularly the people who came back through the gates at the end of "Chain of Attack".

Jason
 
KINGDANIEL -- I know what you're saying but surely the reference only makes sense if the reader has read that novel which is being referred to? For instance if the next Titan novel was to mention something from 'Spock Must Die etc' would everyone know what was being referred to? I think not, thus imho making the reference pointless.

Although I didn't find them pointless, but I havn't read the COE/SCE line of stories nor the IKS Gorkon/Klingon Empire ones so when whole chapters were devoted to them in A Singular Destiny I was kind of thrown out of the story and scratching my head a bit.

I'm going to be reading A Singular Destiny this month. I'm going have to go out and buy COE/SCE + Klingon Empire books now to understand what the Frak is going on! Thanks for the warning Dimesdan!
 
I'd love to see some references to the rifts/gates from "Abode of Life/Chain of Attack/The Final Nexus". It was well before the Bajoran wormhole was being used, and it seems like the people of the 23rd century would have investigated the fall out from those events when they happened.

Particularly the people who came back through the gates at the end of "Chain of Attack".

I'm not sure those books can be reconciled with modern Trek, though, since both "The Price" and DS9 clearly established that no stable wormhole had ever been discovered prior to the 2360s. And though the term "wormhole" may not have been used for the gates in CoA/TFN, that is essentially what they were, and they were stable.
 
Although I didn't find them pointless, but I havn't read the COE/SCE line of stories nor the IKS Gorkon/Klingon Empire ones so when whole chapters were devoted to them in A Singular Destiny I was kind of thrown out of the story and scratching my head a bit.

I'm going to be reading A Singular Destiny this month. I'm going have to go out and buy COE/SCE + Klingon Empire books now to understand what the Frak is going on! Thanks for the warning Dimesdan!

Having read neither SCE nor Klingon Empire books, I still enjoyed ASD and don't think I missed out on anything important.
 
Christopher brings up a good point that canon Star Trek makes references that invalidate events in past novels and so authors would be required to reconcile the fictional series with canon when making a reference.

Easter eggs are fun and continuity is diserable especially when a story is continued from book to book, but let's not get carried away here. I buy a Star Trek book to read the story the author is presenting and I am looking for the story to fit for the most part in the Star Trek universe. "Canon droppings" and references to other stories or events in licensed products annoys me after a while if it is overdone and is not relevant to the story that the author is telling.

Star Trek authors shouldn't be required to have every single Star Trek licensed product on their shelvesand know these products inside and out to tell a Star Trek adventure or require Pocket Books to have a research staff searching for and reconciling obscure references. Authors have their work cut out for them just trying to stay on top of the canon continuity.
 
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KINGDANIEL -- I know what you're saying but surely the reference only makes sense if the reader has read that novel which is being referred to? For instance if the next Titan novel was to mention something from 'Spock Must Die etc' would everyone know what was being referred to? I think not, thus imho making the reference pointless.

Although I didn't find them pointless, but I havn't read the COE/SCE line of stories nor the IKS Gorkon/Klingon Empire ones so when whole chapters were devoted to them in A Singular Destiny I was kind of thrown out of the story and scratching my head a bit.

I'm going to be reading A Singular Destiny this month. I'm going have to go out and buy COE/SCE + Klingon Empire books now to understand what the Frak is going on! Thanks for the warning Dimesdan!
And if you ever want to watch the TOS episode "The Savage Curtain," be sure to read The Life of Abraham Lincoln first.
 
^ And don't forget reading up on Genghis Khan. Oh, and Ulysses S. Grant, since Lincoln makes an offhand comment about him, too.


Crap. I'm going back to reading Dora the Explorer.
 
Actually it's best not to read up on Genghis Khan first, because it would make "The Savage Curtain"'s portrayal of him look completely ridiculous by contrast. One of the greatest warriors, conquerors, and empire-builders in the history of the planet, and they reduced him to a generic mute Oriental henchman who couldn't even hold his own in a wrestling match with Captain Kirk.
 
I have read all the Star Trek novels and comics. I like it when a later novel mentions a person, place or thing from an earlier work, when it relates to the story. Knowlege of the pervious story should not be required, but a list of the major players on the Alpha Quadrand stage could go - Klingons, Romulans, K'vin, Daa'viT, Kinshaya. The casual Star Trek reader would get a picture of the expanded universe.

It annoys me when a novel deals with a major event for a character or the Federation or ship/station [as they tend to do] and then nothing is heard of that point again. The Big Red Reset button lurking on the last page made all the stories dealing with the same universe and characters seem so isolated. All the current book lines are working on continuing and interconnecting story lines, whitch is just more realistic in my opinion.

It is not necessarily the tie-in writer's responsibility to have memorized every episode and read every other tie-in book. If they choose to write in an established universe, they should know a bit about it! Not just filmed canon, but the expanded universe their readers would be aware of, too. An editor would be able to suggest connections with earlier works. Too bad we're short there.
 
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