Rebooting TOS: What must stay the same?

[TiberiusK]

Putting this here, because it seems like more of a discussion of TOS than of Trek XI.

If they are to "re-imagine" or "reboot" TOS, what must never change? In other words, if you peal away all of the layers of TOS (ship design, character traits, alien species, etc) what is at the core of what makes it Trek? Morality plays? An ensemble dynamic? A hopeful vision of the future?

Any ideas?

 

[Bones]

The lengths to which Kirk and Spock will go for the sake of their friendship.

And Kirk must always speak Shatnerian.

 

[Anthony]

They are "rebooting" it. It's called Star Trek XI.

 

[Ronald Held]

Nothing major that was filmed before should be contradicted.

 

[Admiral2]

Anthony said:
They are "rebooting" it. It's called Star Trek XI.

Okay, pay attention: Setting the story in an earlier time frame within the exact same continuity as all the other stories does not constitute a "reboot."

To answer the thread question, if you're going to talk seriously about a proper reboot, then there should be no aspect of the original that "must" be kept. Everything should be fair game for change.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Before we even begin, let's be clear that Kirk, being played by another actor, should not do a Shatner imitation. Let the actor work. This goes for all of them.

As long as it adheres to the core values that made Star Trek what it was, I'll keep an open mind. A United Earth, mankind's warlike ways behind them, but some things in human nature don't change. Opinions differ and tempers can flare. Earth in general can be united, but there should still be some conflict among individuals.

So, the exploration and learning should be there. The tolerence of new and different life forms. Some social commentary might be nice and, of course, the show should be fun and exciting. Not talking about space battles, but make space new again.

Other than that, I'm good.

 

[Neopeius]

Um.

If they reboot TOS, it's not TOS.

Why not make something new?

 

[A beaker full of death]

Rebooting TOS

This is nonsense. It is not a computer, despite modern Trek's approach to writing (how many monkeys on how many typewriters?)
There is no such thing as a "reboot."

Star Trek was a body of work from 1966-1969. There's no reason someone else can't base something on that body of work, play with it, put a different spin on it.

Was Never Say Never Again a reboot?

Only canon nazis believe in reboots.

 

[erastus25]

ssosmcin said:
Before we even begin, let's be clear that Kirk, being played by another actor, should not do a Shatner imitation. Let the actor work. This goes for all of them.

I agree. If the director or producers hire someone and tell him to "act like shatner" it will be bad news. Very very few people could pull off "Shatner Kirk" and if most try I have a feeling the movie will quickly degenerate down to a parody akin to an SNL sketch.

 

[Classic Fan]

They should place it, not on the Enterprise, but on a completely different ship, thus avoiding all the shit the fans will throw at the execs over this.

TOS doesnt need to be redone, apart from season 3 and a few other stinkers but hey.

They shouldnt mess with whats not broke.

They attempted a reboot with Enterprise, i dont care what anyone says, that was the B's way of writing their own Trek history, there i said it, crucify me.

TOS should stay as it is, no messing with it.

As i said, place it somewhere else, ship/spacestation/colony/Cheers Bar, whatever, just dont screw with stuff, i hate it.


Righ, back on with the topic:

I would change nothing, TOS should not be re-done or anything of the sort.

 

[Admiral2]

A beaker full of death said:
Only canon nazis believe in reboots.

Wrong. Canon nazis (those that are uber-protective of existing canon) are usually the ones that run screaming when you mention the word "reboot." It is in fact physically impossible to be both a canon nazi and a pro-rebooter because you cannot protect canon and change it at the same time. (Which is essentially the point of my first post.)

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

As long as they keep mini-skirts and green-skinned chicks.

 

[KeepOnTrekking]

Keep the integrity of the Kirk-Spock-McCoy relationship intact.

Try to keep a positive outlook on earth's future.

Write intelligent, action-packed stories that aren't on a soap box or in a soap opera.

After that, it can all be explained away as being part of an alternate timeline set into motion when the Borg of First Contact screwed up the timeline and started the chain of events from Star Trek: Enterprise rolling into motion. The purists can have the orginal timeline and the rebooters can have fun in the new one. The best part is that it's all on the screen AND c-a-n-o-n!!

 

[TiberiusK]

We'd have to decanonize Ent's These are the Voyages, because it shows old tng to be in the post-FC future.

 

[Anwar]

No it didn't, the Riker and Troi of that TNG future were a lot older, and Riker was a lot fatter, balder, greyer and lakced the spine of OTL Riker.

Different timeline.

 

[Ronald Held]

I agree that TOS does not need to be redone, rebooted,etc.
A story certainly can be written to respect what was done in TOS.

 

[Solariabsg25]

ssosmcin said:
Before we even begin, let's be clear that Kirk, being played by another actor, should not do a Shatner imitation. Let the actor work. This goes for all of them.

As long as it adheres to the core values that made Star Trek what it was, I'll keep an open mind. A United Earth, mankind's warlike ways behind them, but some things in human nature don't change. Opinions differ and tempers can flare. Earth in general can be united, but there should still be some conflict among individuals.

So, the exploration and learning should be there. The tolerence of new and different life forms. Some social commentary might be nice and, of course, the show should be fun and exciting. Not talking about space battles, but make space new again.

Other than that, I'm good.

I agree wholeheartedly here. McGregor did not imitate Guinness for the Star Wars prequals. He did use some of the mannerisms (especially episodes 2+3), enough to imply both were the same characters, but not a direct impression.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Admiral2 said:

A beaker full of death said:
Only canon nazis believe in reboots.

Wrong. Canon nazis (those that are uber-protective of existing canon) are usually the ones that run screaming when you mention the word "reboot." It is in fact physically impossible to be both a canon nazi and a pro-rebooter because you cannot protect canon and change it at the same time. (Which is essentially the point of my first post.)

Noo, canon nazis need the excuse of a "reboot" so they don't feel compelled to run around like idiots saying "but in episode 57 he said it was spelled with a b!"

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The trousers.

Everything else may change.

 

[Spider]

I don't care what they do, I am probably not going to like it. But just in case I do like it, I'm prepared to admit to that and add it to my DVD collection.

But I am just not mentally prepared to accept the type of complete overhaul such as what happened with the new BSG series. I like the new BSG series, but I wasn’t carrying any fan baggage from the original work. I am with Star Trek. I’m just old and obstinate, I suppose.