Reasons to be happy / not happy about a 4th film.
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Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Phantom: Honestly, I think you're stretching to find doom and gloom where none exists.
The new movie just started filming this week. It's still a year away. Most of the world isn't even thinking about the 50th anniversary yet. And it's way too early to start a major publicity push. People are still focused on this summer's movies right now. The studios are pushing this summer's movies. They're not even pushing this year's holiday releases yet.
From a marketing perspective, you don't want to hype something too much, too early--otherwise people will be sick of hearing about it by the time you finally have something to sell tickets to. "Huh, a new STAR TREK movie? I thought that came out already?"
The general audience does not have a long attention span, so you don't want to shoot your wad too early, publicity-wise.
That there's not a huge push yet for a movie that is still a year away is hardly cause for alarm.
(I've actually had this conversation with book authors before. There's no point in publicizing a new book too long before its pub date, because the public will have forgotten any early reviews or publicity by the time the book is actually on sale. Better to hype a book when people can actually buy it, instead of expecting the public to remember all that premature publicity a year later.)
Phantom: Honestly, I think you're stretching to find doom and gloom where none exists.
The new movie just started filming this week. It's still a year away. Most of the world isn't even thinking about the 50th anniversary yet. And it's way too early to start a major publicity push. People are still focused on this summer's movies right now. The studios are pushing this summer's movies. They're not even pushing this year's holiday releases yet.
From a marketing perspective, you don't want to hype something too much, too early--otherwise people will be sick of hearing about it by the time you finally have something to sell tickets to. "Huh, a new STAR TREK movie? I thought that came out already?"
The general audience does not have a long attention span, so you don't want to shoot your wad too early, publicity-wise.
That there's not a huge push yet for a movie that is still a year away is hardly cause for alarm.
(I've actually had this conversation with book authors before. There's no point in publicizing a new book too long before its pub date, because the public will have forgotten any early reviews or publicity by the time the book is actually on sale. Better to hype a book when people can actually buy it, instead of expecting the public to remember all that premature publicity a year later.)
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Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Is the basic star signing deal for three films? Evidence?
Evidence of this? Obviously LOTR can be touted as a triogy because the source material was. Other films might only become trilogies after the fact. And is a film series a trilogy if its three films with the came cast/characters but three different stories?
Is the basic star signing deal for three films? Evidence?
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I'm upset that nothing is planned for the 60th anniversary. Does anyone even care anymore?
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Well, they're still putting out new DS audiobooks, I believe.
And Lara Parker had a new DS novel come out (from, ahem, Tor Books) not too long ago.
Alas, the Tim Burton spoof probably drove a stake through any new movies or TV series for awhile.
Well, they're still putting out new DS audiobooks, I believe.
And Lara Parker had a new DS novel come out (from, ahem, Tor Books) not too long ago.
Alas, the Tim Burton spoof probably drove a stake through any new movies or TV series for awhile.
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We got a lot in the lead up to that movie. Parkers book had been in limbo for a long time until then, the out of circulation movies got a bluray release, the DVD set got some new interviews and extras...
Afterwards? Nada. Zip. Nothing outside of Big Finish chugging along like they always had. Can't even get the day for night filters put back on the Revivals latest DVD release.
Pretty good example of how a flop tends to kibosh forward movement of any kind.
We got a lot in the lead up to that movie. Parkers book had been in limbo for a long time until then, the out of circulation movies got a bluray release, the DVD set got some new interviews and extras...
Afterwards? Nada. Zip. Nothing outside of Big Finish chugging along like they always had. Can't even get the day for night filters put back on the Revivals latest DVD release.
Pretty good example of how a flop tends to kibosh forward movement of any kind.
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Actually, Parker's latest novel came out in 2013, a year after the movie.
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Wolf-Moon-Rising/dp/0765332590
And this concludes the shameless plug part of our discussion.
Actually, Parker's latest novel came out in 2013, a year after the movie.
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Wolf-Moon-Rising/dp/0765332590
And this concludes the shameless plug part of our discussion.
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Sorry about that!
All this talk about 50th anniversaries reminded me that we're exactly one year away from DS's 50th anniversary, too.
Sorry about that!
All this talk about 50th anniversaries reminded me that we're exactly one year away from DS's 50th anniversary, too.
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Heh, it did to. I was thinking about when they announced they were reissuing her first one. My bad. And the topic hijack is sorta mine too.
So, a fourth Star Trek... The only reason I'm kinda iffy is that the fourth movie is traditionally (in most other movie series, that is) where things start to go to pot. Though some recent movies have been taking that 'tradition' out and giving it a beating, so I'm not too worried.
Actually, Parker's latest novel came out in 2013, a year after the movie.
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Wolf-Moon-Rising/dp/0765332590
And this concludes the shameless plug part of our discussion.
Heh, it did to. I was thinking about when they announced they were reissuing her first one. My bad. And the topic hijack is sorta mine too.
So, a fourth Star Trek... The only reason I'm kinda iffy is that the fourth movie is traditionally (in most other movie series, that is) where things start to go to pot. Though some recent movies have been taking that 'tradition' out and giving it a beating, so I'm not too worried.
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Heck, even with Trek movies, THE VOYAGE HOME was a big commercial and critical hit and that was the fourth movie in the series. And, further back in the day, THUNDERBALL (the fourth Bond movie) and CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES (the fourth Apes movie) were well received.
We'll just forget about the fourth BATMAN and SUPERMAN movies, okay?
Actually, Parker's latest novel came out in 2013, a year after the movie.
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Shadows-Wolf-Moon-Rising/dp/0765332590
And this concludes the shameless plug part of our discussion.
Heh, it did to. I was thinking about when they announced they were reissuing her first one. My bad. And the topic hijack is sorta mine too.
So, a fourth Star Trek... The only reason I'm kinda iffy is that the fourth movie is traditionally (in most other movie series, that is) where things start to go to pot. Though some recent movies have been taking that 'tradition' out and giving it a beating, so I'm not too worried.
Heck, even with Trek movies, THE VOYAGE HOME was a big commercial and critical hit and that was the fourth movie in the series. And, further back in the day, THUNDERBALL (the fourth Bond movie) and CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES (the fourth Apes movie) were well received.
We'll just forget about the fourth BATMAN and SUPERMAN movies, okay?
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Star Wars is a whole different animal, with a different target audience. It is unfair, and impractical, to compare the two.
Unless there is inside Hollywood intel that indicates Abrams role with STB and Star Wars, I will remain confident that the main is aware of what is going on with the Trek film. It isn't unusual for a Hollywood producer to where multiple "hats" in a production and be aware of what is going on, even if he isn't directly involved.
Star Trek Beyond is happening and is being filmed, and the marketing will start when it is closer to release date. Theaters and others tightly regulate the promotional materials and when they can occur and how long before the actual release.
There is no need for negativity towards Abrams or his company. I think Abrams laid the groundwork perfectly for Lin to step in and continue on the story.
Star Wars is a whole different animal, with a different target audience. It is unfair, and impractical, to compare the two.
Unless there is inside Hollywood intel that indicates Abrams role with STB and Star Wars, I will remain confident that the main is aware of what is going on with the Trek film. It isn't unusual for a Hollywood producer to where multiple "hats" in a production and be aware of what is going on, even if he isn't directly involved.
Star Trek Beyond is happening and is being filmed, and the marketing will start when it is closer to release date. Theaters and others tightly regulate the promotional materials and when they can occur and how long before the actual release.
There is no need for negativity towards Abrams or his company. I think Abrams laid the groundwork perfectly for Lin to step in and continue on the story.
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
It's pretty clear Paramount just wants to bury the 75th anniversary. I haven't heard one syllable about it from anyone except myself.
It's pretty clear Paramount just wants to bury the 75th anniversary. I haven't heard one syllable about it from anyone except myself.
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
I saw the first nuTrek movie on the Space Channel. I was already paying for that channel for other reasons, so it didn't cost extra. I saw the second nuTrek movie because my cable company gave me a free "on demand" coupon. So I had access to the movie for 48 hours, and ended managing to see it 3 times. It did not improve on repeated viewings, so thank goodness I didn't actually have to pay for it. Now it's on Canadian Netflix (the only Star Trek available to us that isn't TNG). I have not been the slightest bit tempted to see it a fourth time.
As for Star Wars... I saw the first 3 movies (IV-VI) in the theatre. But I haven't stepped foot in a movie theatre since last century, and I don't miss it. I'll watch it when it comes to Netflix, and if it's good I'll praise it (anything with Harrison Ford has to be at least slightly good, and I don't recall hating anything I've seen him in before).
But if this nuTrek movie is all we get for the 50th anniversary, I'm going to feel cheated. Even Doctor Who threw in some scraps for the Classic Who fans, with Paul McGann's "Night of the Doctor" webisode, Peter Davison's "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot," and Tom Baker's cameo as The Caretaker.
Somehow, there has to be something for the non-nuTrek fans, whether it's a TV special or something else.
So three is not a new number. It may be relatively new for movies, but it's been part of entertainment marketing for a long time. After all, if you want people to pay more money, it helps if they're willing to pay to find out What Happens Next.
But then I suppose not everyone plans their book purchases months in advance.
And then there are some of us who, for various reasons, will end up seeing neither of them in the theatre.
I saw the first nuTrek movie on the Space Channel. I was already paying for that channel for other reasons, so it didn't cost extra. I saw the second nuTrek movie because my cable company gave me a free "on demand" coupon. So I had access to the movie for 48 hours, and ended managing to see it 3 times. It did not improve on repeated viewings, so thank goodness I didn't actually have to pay for it. Now it's on Canadian Netflix (the only Star Trek available to us that isn't TNG). I have not been the slightest bit tempted to see it a fourth time.
As for Star Wars... I saw the first 3 movies (IV-VI) in the theatre. But I haven't stepped foot in a movie theatre since last century, and I don't miss it. I'll watch it when it comes to Netflix, and if it's good I'll praise it (anything with Harrison Ford has to be at least slightly good, and I don't recall hating anything I've seen him in before).
But if this nuTrek movie is all we get for the 50th anniversary, I'm going to feel cheated. Even Doctor Who threw in some scraps for the Classic Who fans, with Paul McGann's "Night of the Doctor" webisode, Peter Davison's "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot," and Tom Baker's cameo as The Caretaker.
Somehow, there has to be something for the non-nuTrek fans, whether it's a TV special or something else.
What a pity they didn't have a decent story or actors who could convince me they were playing Kirk, Spock, Uhura, etc. instead of nuKirk, nuSpock, and nuUhura. Note I didn't mention McCoy/nuMcCoy. He seems to be irrelevant to the nuTrek movies because all he does is be a smart-alec with sitcom one-liners.
We are all getting older. But if the quality of these movies doesn't improve, I suspect I will be celebrating the 50th anniversary by diving into my stack of old '70s/'80s print 'zines.
Seems to me we started getting that back when Worf took over TNG and DS9 with all those Klingon-centric episodes that bored me to the point that I nearly stopped watching the series. (sanitized for that era of TV, of course)And it most certainly doesn't necessarily translate to a "proper canon," Prime Universe TREK series.
For all we know, we could get STAR TREK: GAME OF KLINGON THRONES.
(Which actually sounds kind of awesome.)
Trilogies have been around a long time, starting with printed material. Think of how many science fiction novel series come in trilogy format, even if that's not how the author originally envisioned them. An example would be C.J. Cherryh's Cyteen. That's a huge book, but it's also been published as a trilogy (which is the format in which I first read it). Isaac Asimov's early Foundation stories were collected in novel form as three books, and it was a long time before there was a fourth. And not only SF, but fantasy: any RPG player here should be familiar with the Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms novels, most of which were parts of either trilogies or sextets.
So three is not a new number. It may be relatively new for movies, but it's been part of entertainment marketing for a long time. After all, if you want people to pay more money, it helps if they're willing to pay to find out What Happens Next.
Sounds like a diplomatic thing to say...
Oh, I dunno... you mention here that you've got a new Star Trek book coming, so I head over to amazon.ca to see what information they've got on it, and if it's listed as available for pre-order, I put it on my wish list (which I consult every couple of months or so). When your book is available for purchase, I buy it.
But then I suppose not everyone plans their book purchases months in advance.
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Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Well, only a TRUE Star Trek fan would know about the 75th Anniversary.
That said, we're getting a 3rd film, and a 4th film, and if all goes even better, a 5th film (I'm pulling that one out of my rear), though I do wish they would go faster. Between 1979 and 1989 we had 5 Trek films. From 2009 to 2016 we'll have only had 3. Come on, guys, do what Marvel does and film them back to back! *chop* *chop*
Well, only a TRUE Star Trek fan would know about the 75th Anniversary.
That said, we're getting a 3rd film, and a 4th film, and if all goes even better, a 5th film (I'm pulling that one out of my rear), though I do wish they would go faster. Between 1979 and 1989 we had 5 Trek films. From 2009 to 2016 we'll have only had 3. Come on, guys, do what Marvel does and film them back to back! *chop* *chop*
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Exactly.
There's no embargo on promoting the book in advance, but you don't want to go all gung-ho and starting running around doing interviews and podcasts before the book is actually in the stores. And you certainly don't want the reviews to start coming out months in advance of publication.
Of course, things are changing thanks to the internet and "in the stores" doesn't mean what it used to. Back in the day, my November book wouldn't be "available for pre-orders" at this point, because people didn't pre-order books on-line; they bought them at drug stores and airports and such when they actually showed up on shop shelves.
But, as far as I know, you can't order tickets for STAR TREK BEYOND on Fandango yet, so why do a hard sell for the movie a year in advance?
And then there are some of us who, for various reasons, will end up seeing neither of them in the theatre.
I saw the first nuTrek movie on the Space Channel. I was already paying for that channel for other reasons, so it didn't cost extra. I saw the second nuTrek movie because my cable company gave me a free "on demand" coupon. So I had access to the movie for 48 hours, and ended managing to see it 3 times. It did not improve on repeated viewings, so thank goodness I didn't actually have to pay for it. Now it's on Canadian Netflix (the only Star Trek available to us that isn't TNG). I have not been the slightest bit tempted to see it a fourth time.
As for Star Wars... I saw the first 3 movies (IV-VI) in the theatre. But I haven't stepped foot in a movie theatre since last century, and I don't miss it. I'll watch it when it comes to Netflix, and if it's good I'll praise it (anything with Harrison Ford has to be at least slightly good, and I don't recall hating anything I've seen him in before).
But if this nuTrek movie is all we get for the 50th anniversary, I'm going to feel cheated. Even Doctor Who threw in some scraps for the Classic Who fans, with Paul McGann's "Night of the Doctor" webisode, Peter Davison's "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot," and Tom Baker's cameo as The Caretaker.
Somehow, there has to be something for the non-nuTrek fans, whether it's a TV special or something else.
What a pity they didn't have a decent story or actors who could convince me they were playing Kirk, Spock, Uhura, etc. instead of nuKirk, nuSpock, and nuUhura. Note I didn't mention McCoy/nuMcCoy. He seems to be irrelevant to the nuTrek movies because all he does is be a smart-alec with sitcom one-liners.
We are all getting older. But if the quality of these movies doesn't improve, I suspect I will be celebrating the 50th anniversary by diving into my stack of old '70s/'80s print 'zines.
Seems to me we started getting that back when Worf took over TNG and DS9 with all those Klingon-centric episodes that bored me to the point that I nearly stopped watching the series. (sanitized for that era of TV, of course)
Trilogies have been around a long time, starting with printed material. Think of how many science fiction novel series come in trilogy format, even if that's not how the author originally envisioned them. An example would be C.J. Cherryh's Cyteen. That's a huge book, but it's also been published as a trilogy (which is the format in which I first read it). Isaac Asimov's early Foundation stories were collected in novel form as three books, and it was a long time before there was a fourth. And not only SF, but fantasy: any RPG player here should be familiar with the Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms novels, most of which were parts of either trilogies or sextets.
So three is not a new number. It may be relatively new for movies, but it's been part of entertainment marketing for a long time. After all, if you want people to pay more money, it helps if they're willing to pay to find out What Happens Next.
Sounds like a diplomatic thing to say...
Oh, I dunno... you mention here that you've got a new Star Trek book coming, so I head over to amazon.ca to see what information they've got on it, and if it's listed as available for pre-order, I put it on my wish list (which I consult every couple of months or so). When your book is available for purchase, I buy it.
But then I suppose not everyone plans their book purchases months in advance.
Exactly.
There's no embargo on promoting the book in advance, but you don't want to go all gung-ho and starting running around doing interviews and podcasts before the book is actually in the stores. And you certainly don't want the reviews to start coming out months in advance of publication.
Of course, things are changing thanks to the internet and "in the stores" doesn't mean what it used to. Back in the day, my November book wouldn't be "available for pre-orders" at this point, because people didn't pre-order books on-line; they bought them at drug stores and airports and such when they actually showed up on shop shelves.
But, as far as I know, you can't order tickets for STAR TREK BEYOND on Fandango yet, so why do a hard sell for the movie a year in advance?
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
dont matter if they make 3 or 33 movies, if they are anything like the first 2 they can keep them.
Pathetic version of trek with a stupid alternate, made by a guy who I never rated.
Still if if makes others happy all well and good but hardly a reason to celebrate for me.
dont matter if they make 3 or 33 movies, if they are anything like the first 2 they can keep them.
Pathetic version of trek with a stupid alternate, made by a guy who I never rated.
Still if if makes others happy all well and good but hardly a reason to celebrate for me.
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