Reasons to be happy / not happy about a 4th film.

[M'Sharak]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Agreed.

[Post transplanted from DS9 forum]

Hey, my bailiwick is limited to watching what goes on in Trek XI+.

Bringing up something which was posted at some other time and in a different forum scores no points. If you're seriously interested in addressing what you seem to feel is a discrepancy, you'll want to open a thread about it in QS&F and make it an issue of board policy.

Laugh all you like, but I do expect the point to be taken if you're going to be making a habit of posting in here: address the post, not the poster.

 

[gazomg]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

who is trying to make things personal now ?

I am entitled to laugh if I find a post funny or is that frowned upon , along with criticizing a movie ?

 

[JWPlatt]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Ut oh.

I'm happy for a fourth film, even if I won't like it. Better to try than not.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

who is trying to make things personal now ?

I am entitled to laugh if I find a post funny or is that frowned upon...

Yeeees, but it's also not a bad idea to heed what the moderator is saying to you rather than making a gesture which looks on the surface like you're laughing it off.

... along with criticizing a movie ?

Criticizing the movie - hey, there you go! Good idea. Do that.

 

[martok2112]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

The new Trek films were aimed at everyone, not just younger people. Believing so (being aimed at younger people) being a veiled way of saying that there's no way in hell that the new films could not possibly be appealing to the supposed "mature True fan".

I'd dare say that there are plenty of mature Trek fans and admirers who have loved Trek all their lives, and that they have completely embraced and enjoyed the new films since they breathed life back into a franchise that was on life-support for many years.

I'm not a fan (of anything, anymore), but I've loved Star Trek ever since I was 3 years old. At first, it was the cool ships and the phasers, but as one grows older, one appreciates the finer points of what makes such a show special to him/her. To me, nothing has been lost with the new films, and much more has been gained. Trek can be told in much more epic terms now. And with the first two films having been fun action-adventure stories, and the indications that the new Trek movie will deal more with the five-year mission, and perhaps exploration, diplomacy, and the other things that encompass other elements of Star Trek, I see a great future for Trek.

Onto other things:

Criticizing a movie is to eloquently point out what, in one's opinion, is wrong with the movie.

Simply saying: "It's shit." That is nothing more than a rant...and a rather unimaginative one at that.

There's no discussion to be had there.

In conclusion:
Bring on the third and fourth films!

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Given that I was seven when I first got hooked on STAR TREK, I see nothing wrong with targeting younger viewers.

And wasn't that the whole point of adding Chekov to the cast in the first place, to attract the teenyboppers?

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

New movies or new TV show...
Can't we have both? Of course I would love a new TV show, but I want new movies too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Given that I was seven when I first got hooked on STAR TREK, I see nothing wrong with targeting younger viewers.

And wasn't that the whole point of adding Chekov to the cast in the first place, to attract the teenyboppers?

Teen idols are a Russian invention.

 

[Devon]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Remember, Paramount wasn't happy with the returns on Into Darkness. And JJ had to fight just to get it made to begin with.

Huh!?!?

 

[Devon]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Paramount believes that Star Trek Beyond has the potential for being a watershed in the Trek movies. That is why they have granted an option for a fourth sequel.

We can only wait and see...nothing I've seen or heard says that we're about to have such a moment (at least not in a positive way). Remember, Paramount wasn't happy with the returns on Into Darkness.

Well, people with no connection whatsoever to Paramount keep saying that's the case, but I've yet to see any reliable evidence of it.

Did he? First I've heard of that. Have you a link?

I too am curious where Phantom is getting this info...

 

[gazomg]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

who is trying to make things personal now ?

I am entitled to laugh if I find a post funny or is that frowned upon...

Yeeees, but it's also not a bad idea to heed what the moderator is saying to you rather than making a gesture which looks on the surface like you're laughing it off.

Forgive my complete stupidity here, and my ridiculous behavior in laughing at a post I thought was funny, please explain to this here simple member what exactly is the issue , as to me it seems , and I might be wrong of course that I am getting some hostility cos I am not fan of the shit movies abrams has churned out.

The old grey matter is not what it was with me, what exactly is it I must heed ?

 

[Greg Cox]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Given that I was seven when I first got hooked on STAR TREK, I see nothing wrong with targeting younger viewers.

And wasn't that the whole point of adding Chekov to the cast in the first place, to attract the teenyboppers?

Teen idols are a Russian invention.

Hah!

I can't remember, was it the Beatles or the Monkees who originated in Leningrad?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Given that I was seven when I first got hooked on STAR TREK, I see nothing wrong with targeting younger viewers.

And wasn't that the whole point of adding Chekov to the cast in the first place, to attract the teenyboppers?

Teen idols are a Russian invention.

Hah!

I can't remember, was it the Beatles or the Monkees who originated in Leningrad?

The Beatles, in Lennongrad.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

^ Oh ho! I see what you did there!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Teen idols are a Russian invention.

Hah!

I can't remember, was it the Beatles or the Monkees who originated in Leningrad?

The Beatles, in Lennongrad.

/Dathon

 

[JWPlatt]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

Teen idols are a Russian inwention.

I fixed that for you.

 

[Trekkin]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

@Nerys

So let's see what history tells us:

- 4 TOS movies, 1 highly successful. We got a new series (that then branched off) AND further films.
- NEM flops in 2002 and ends the film series for the time, and permanently ends TNG. ENT folds in 2005 and ends the TV series indefinitely. The result? Where we are now.

Yes, truly Paramount and CBS's past behaviour indicates that a flop will get people the series they want.

May I point out that some people were saying very similar things when ENT was on air? 'I hope it flops so we can get the Trek series that we want!' Look how that went for them.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

May I point out that some people were saying very similar things when ENT was on air? 'I hope it flops so we can get the Trek series that we want!' Look how that went for them.

History and Logic aren't strong subjects for some folks.

 

[Phantom]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

I still don't think Paramount was as unhappy as the interwebs portray them. Why would they hire Orci to write and direct early in the process if they were unhappy? Why would they give Pine and Quinto raises for the upcoming film if they were unhappy? Why would they be spending another $180 million on Trek produced by the same people if they were unhappy?

Just doesn't make any sense.

That's a fair question. One possible answer would be "completing the set". A trilogy is a more marketable commodity than two films.

As for Orci: they also fired him as director and dumped his script.

We do know that as of this time, there is virtually zero news about anything big planned for the 50th anniversary next year. That is not an encouraging sign.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.

I still don't think Paramount was as unhappy as the interwebs portray them. Why would they hire Orci to write and direct early in the process if they were unhappy? Why would they give Pine and Quinto raises for the upcoming film if they were unhappy? Why would they be spending another $180 million on Trek produced by the same people if they were unhappy?

Just doesn't make any sense.

That's a fair question. One possible answer would be "completing the set". A trilogy is a more marketable commodity than two films.

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Why has three become the magic number?