Reasons not to make a Pike show
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Honestly I am tired of reading discussions how not to give people what they want or how to feed them things they did not want flavouring with a bit of that they want.
We have a fact: Mount's Pike stole a show. The reason of admiring him is not a nostalgy, this character could had another name and zero connections with TOS - in this case there would be less expectations and maybe even more impressions. Actually Pike never was my favorite captain before, neither Hunter's nor Greenwood's. Now I love all versions because they are "the same Pike", not contrarywise. This Pike brought a new fuel in this show, why now there are debates how to use this fuel economly for anything else and reject or decrease to minimum the presence of Pike himself?
We have a fact: Mount's Pike stole a show. The reason of admiring him is not a nostalgy, this character could had another name and zero connections with TOS - in this case there would be less expectations and maybe even more impressions. Actually Pike never was my favorite captain before, neither Hunter's nor Greenwood's. Now I love all versions because they are "the same Pike", not contrarywise. This Pike brought a new fuel in this show, why now there are debates how to use this fuel economly for anything else and reject or decrease to minimum the presence of Pike himself?
Why? Two entities can make products at the same time. I've seen it before. I know it's weird, but it can happen.
And Pike is no longer in the Kelvin Universe unless he shows up as a psychic vision or something.
Why look for one of jms’s most troubled productions and pounce on it, completely disregarding the way he steered an original five-year storyline through five seasons of actors coming and going, writing most of the scripts himself? I don’t understand your reasoning: DSC was free to have its showrunning ups and downs, including a change in uniforms that had to give way to a semi-traditional design for no particular in-universe reason, but god forbid the next showrunner doesn’t come with a perfectly smooth track record?
Anyway, it’s beside the point because like I said, jms wouldn’t do it without full creative control that translates into a reboot; he just doesn’t have to at this point in his career.
I was teasing. Crusade is one of those so-bad-it's-almost good shows and I own the season on DVD. And yes, Discovery has had possibly the same amount of BTS strife in it's time (3 showrunners, 2 massive changes in concept/direction, endless writer firings and hirings and leavings for some very dubious reasons, writers not knowing what they can legally include in their own show, artists not knowing if they changes they've been asked to make were for creative or legal reasons etc)
I don’t know, I find I like the characters and expansive setting on Crusade even more than those on B5, even though a lot of things failed to materialize. A rewatch should probably combine the show with published scripts and stick to an order that makes sense (like the one in which the “bellhop” uniforms became a temporary, quickly disregarded PR move).
Not sure how I feel about this. I liked the Kelvinverse well enough but after three movies and a long gap since the last one, maybe it's time to leave it alone.
JMS Contributing? Sure! he's a good writer.. But him in charge of the boat.. Ah.. Nope.. He wouldn't do it anyways unless he has almost full creative control, and there not going to do that with Star Trek.. Warner Bro's just left him alone in his shed for B5, contint that he was producing material, but a show as big as Star Trek? Nope the suits would be meeting with him every day.
Reasons not to make a Pike show?
I've got Anson Mount locked away in my bedroom and I am not letting him go.....
I've got Anson Mount locked away in my bedroom and I am not letting him go.....
I would tend to think that there would be a worry about one "original" Enterprise product depressing viewership of another. If there was an Enterprise TV series, folks would be less inclined to trek to the theater to see the other.
Since they are all going to be one big corporate family again, I imagine that kind of thinking will come into play.
Well with the CBS/Paramount split ending and Paramount surely trying to cut costs, you may get a Kelvinverse ST4 on the Pike Enterprise sets
I just don’t see them featuring the same characters on film and TV both, timeline difference notwithstanding.
Perhaps. But, the difference right now is the movie has just been announced, which leaves years for them to work with Pike.
I've never been a Discovery vs. Orville guy as I like them both and don't feel as though I have to choose. But I feel like the Orville formula of 50% serialized/50% episodic would fit well within what Pike is describing. All the episodes have its own story unique story, but the actions and experiences the characters have carryover to the next episode and so on. And this formula might actually be how you'd be able to get Mount to commit to a Pike show as he wouldn't be needed for every episode.
EDIT: I mean what "Mount" is describing. Mount plays the Pike character so damn well sometimes I think he is actually Pike.
And They apparently hired another guy who isn't really knowledgeable about Trek or has had any interest in it till now.
Also, They dropped the Lady Director They had like a hot rock.
Nemesis here we go again.
I can't speak to the potential quality of Star Trek 4. Just that it is seemingly a going concern again. Which I think is bad news for a potential Pike series.
Who really knows? Paramount and CBS could've gotten together a while ago and decided the best course was to move forward with Star Trek 4. It could've been one of the motives to move Discovery to the 32nd century. To cut back on brand confusion.
Well dc has a flash tv series, and a flash movie version.. Doesn't seem to be a problem.
