Reading the litverse chronologically

[Christopher]

^Heck, if a tough guy like Charles Napier could get away with wearing pink in a '70s TV episode, then the pink Kzinti uniforms from the same decade probably weren't seen as odd.

I mean, heck, the '70s were the time when traditional assumptions about masculine behavior began to change and men were given more freedom to be emotional and vulnerable and not have to be tough and macho and insecure about their strength all the time. The masculine ideal in the '70s was Hawkeye Pierce, a compassionate and empathetic pacifist who wasn't afraid to show his feelings. To say a man was in touch with his "feminine side" was a compliment back then. Then in the '80s, the decade of Rambo, the old macho mentality resurged and the emotional maturity of American men regressed sharply, and it's only gotten worse since then.

 

[Damian]

Turns out Damien is a time traveller. Who knew (well, Damien, I suppose )!

Although the "pink is girly" idea evidently didn't become absolute for several more decades. I remember seeing a '70s Rockford Files episode where Charles Napier played a mean, tough henchman and was wearing a hot pink shirt throughout.

Funny how fashion can turn on a dime sometimes.

But in all seriousness I actually do have a pink dress shirt and tie I wear from time to time to work. I'm not afraid to wear pink .

 

[Damian]

the pink Kzinti uniforms from the same decade probably weren't seen as odd.

Believe it or not, until I read about that it was a 'mistake' I never gave the pink uniforms much thought. Now once it was pointed out I thought, hmm, yeah, I guess. But in story maybe pink is an aggressive, militant color in Kzinti society.

 

[Christopher]

But in story maybe pink is an aggressive, militant color in Kzinti society.

That seems plausible to me. It is the color of raw meat, after all.

 

[Jinn]

That seems plausible to me. It is the color of raw meat, after all.

And the color of Klingon blood

 

[Kertrats47]

And the color of Klingon blood

... depending on who you ask!

 

[Jinn]

... depending on who you ask!

I asked... myself. And I answered "pink". Although I may have been biased in my favor. You just can't trust anyone anymore...

 

[Damian]

BTW. speaking of pink inspired me to pull out my pink shirt and tie for tomorrow. So I'll be dressed like a Kzinti tomorrow.

Yeah baby

 

[Jbarney]

So far I was able to make a very definitive timeline for both 2267 and 2268 with a surprisingly small number of outright problems, even though I used stardate order as a basis for my timeline. (I did however not include the stories that I deemed part of the "80s Verse". Surprisingly that also included some recent Greg Cox novels ) There are some minor reference problems, like the previousloy mentioned Double, Double, but overall evereything works. The biggest problems appeared in 2268, with "The Paradise Syndrome", The Klingon Gambit and Mutiny on the Enterprise taking up like half a year if you combine them. I tried to honor all of those which led to a very... Busy September for the Enterprise, but I was rather surprised that the timeline wasn't completely full. 2267 did in fact work out beautifully and every story I placed in it fit perfectly. Also, for some reasons the actual stories in 2268 are worse than the ones on 2267. Except Vanguard.

I have to admit that I am so looking forward to the work we will do on the FYM in Timeliners. Just from the material you have posted here, when we all get around to it, we should certainly have a lot of notes already to go for the doc.

 

[Jinn]

I have to admit that I am so looking forward to the work we will do on the FYM in Timeliners. Just from the material you have posted here, when we all get around to it, we should certainly have a lot of notes already to go for the doc.

Come to think of it I should start translating my notes...

 

[JD]

I can't find the thread for @ryan123450's timeline, so I was just going to ask this here. I usually use that for my timeline for my chronlogical to read list, but I could find The Weight of Worlds. Here are my post-2001 5YM books in chronological order:
Inception
Crisis of Consciousness
the Legacies trilogy
A Choice of Catastrophes
From History's Shadow
That Which Divides
The Face of the Unknown
The Eugenics Wars
Troublesome Minds

 

[Christopher]

^Inception is a pre-5YM novel, set five years before TOS.

 

[ryan123450]

Ive really been needing to totally redo my 5YM timeline. I’m not confident about my placements currently. But I’ve just not had the time for quite a while.

And as far as I know The Weight of Worlds had no link to any other books (though I haven’t read it), so I’ve not figured out a placement for it.

Sorry I can’t be of more help. Maybe @Jinn or @Jbarney knows?

 

[Jbarney]

Unfortunately, the FYM books are a bit beyond the horizon for me, as I think I am going to get through a lot of the 24th century first. We have Weight of Worlds placed pretty solidly in the Timeliner's doc, but we don't have any other books link footnoted. We put it in the later 2269 range.

There easily could be references to other novels, we just don't have it footnoted.

 

[tomswift2002]

The Eugenics War, as I recall takes place after “Turnabout Intruder” and the novel “Assignment: Eternity” for its framing story. And then the framing story of Pt 3 takes place after TWOK.

 

[Leto_II]

Ive really been needing to totally redo my 5YM timeline. I’m not confident about my placements currently. But I’ve just not had the time for quite a while.

And as far as I know The Weight of Worlds had no link to any other books (though I haven’t read it), so I’ve not figured out a placement for it.

Sorry I can’t be of more help. Maybe @Jinn or @Jbarney knows?

It seems to take place not too long after the events of “Turnabout Intruder,” so circa mid-2269(ish), or thereabouts. I have it placed shortly before the Reeves-Stevenses’ Prime Directive (which itself covers a good solid four months, and most of the rest of the pre-TAS year). It’s been a few years since I last read Greg’s book, so I can’t immediately recall if he put any direct references to Eternity in it or not, though.

 

[ryan123450]

As an aside, sorry for not mentioning you as I obviously should have @Leto_II. Been horribly sick for days and my fever addled brain forgot about you (especially since I haven’t heard from you for a while).

 

[Jbarney]

As an aside, sorry for not mentioning you as I obviously should have @Leto_II. Been horribly sick for days and my fever addled brain forgot about you (especially since I haven’t heard from you for a while).

Speaking of folks who should be involved in discussions about Chronological Star Trek reading.....has anyone seen or heard from Idran recently? That individual used to hang out on these boards and was involved in chrono discussions a lot. Hasn't been around at all for a while.

 

[Leto_II]

As an aside, sorry for not mentioning you as I obviously should have @Leto_II. Been horribly sick for days and my fever addled brain forgot about you (especially since I haven’t heard from you for a while).

Oh, man, believe me, it’s all cool — I’ve been so incredibly busy myself since school started back up again a few weeks ago, and just now finally got a long holiday weekend off to chill and catch up on some stuff, here.

 

[JD]

I can't find the thread for @ryan123450's timeline, so I was just going to ask this here. I usually use that for my timeline for my chronlogical to read list, but I could find The Weight of Worlds. Here are my post-2001 5YM books in chronological order:
Inception
Crisis of Consciousness
the Legacies trilogy
A Choice of Catastrophes
From History's Shadow
That Which Divides
The Face of the Unknown
The Eugenics Wars
Troublesome Minds

^Inception is a pre-5YM novel, set five years before TOS.

Ive really been needing to totally redo my 5YM timeline. I’m not confident about my placements currently. But I’ve just not had the time for quite a while.

And as far as I know The Weight of Worlds had no link to any other books (though I haven’t read it), so I’ve not figured out a placement for it.

Sorry I can’t be of more help. Maybe @Jinn or @Jbarney knows?

It seems to take place not too long after the events of “Turnabout Intruder,” so circa mid-2269(ish), or thereabouts. I have it placed shortly before the Reeves-Stevenses’ Prime Directive (which itself covers a good solid four months, and most of the rest of the pre-TAS year). It’s been a few years since I last read Greg’s book, so I can’t immediately recall if he put any direct references to Eternity in it or not, though.

I just checked Memory Beta's timeline, and here's my current order (skipping ones I've already read) based on a combination of it and @ryan123450 :
Burning Dreams (Pike era)
Inception (pre-5YM)
Crisis of Consciousness (5YM)
Legacies trilogy
A Choice of Catastrophes
From History's Shadow
The Face of the Unknown
That Which Divides
Ex Machina (TMP era)
(@ryan123450's list has DTI: Forgotten History here, but I put it down with the other DTI books in the post-Destiny era)
Elusive Salvation
To Reign in Hell: The Exile of Khan Noonien Singh (II-VI movie era)
Unspoken Truth
Shadows on The Sun (post Undiscovered Coutry-era)
Cast No Shadow