Reading preferences (cont'd. from Thirteenth Order thread)

[Aquehonga]

^, Marie1, you beat me to the punch

TerriO, I consider taking up your 3-Dog Dare

But, would that be the proper way to re-introduce myself to TrekLit after not being on there in over 2 years at this point. Coming in there phasors blasting every which way til Sunday.

I was off TrekBBS, the whole entire board, from Feb 07 til 1 day in Nov 07. Then not back again til Nov 08. For personal situations going on. Due to circumstances, & choice a little.

Weird, since coming back, I've had no reason(s) to post up in TrekLit. Same with TrekArt.

If I post up there for some TrekLit related inquiry, fine.

Then, tad time later I can take up your 3-Dog Dare

 

[TerriO]

Do whatever you want, Acquehonga. I'm not about to tell you how you should post, just make sure it's not against the board rules.

Well, it is April Fools Day...

Are there actually clauses in the contracts saying "You may not read fan fiction until performance is complete"?

I'm not sure, but I think there might very well be such clauses in some contracts. I do know of at least one author who was sued/threatened with a lawsuit by a fan fiction writer. You have to be very careful about such matters as a professional writer--it's a totally different ballgame and a professional writer has to approach his/her work with a totally different mindset than a fan fiction writer does. We do what we do because its fun--the professional does what he/she does because that's how they bring home the bacon. Fan fiction writers can afford "muses"--professional writers can't. Professional writers have deadlines to meet, fan fiction writers don't. For us, writing is a hobby; for the professional, it's a job.

It's sort of an unwritten rule, but it's one that the guys tend to take seriously. Making sure you don't accidentally pick up an idea from someone else. The last thing any of the pros need is to have their book delayed because it was too much like fanfic posted in an area they frequented.

I've seen lawsuits filed over stupid stuff. One of my favorites was someone who novelized a movie being included as defendant in a plagiarism lawsuit against the motion picture company that made said movie. Happens a LOT more often than you think, and every writer I know who's had it happen to them hates it.

 

[Myasishchev]

^That one example isn't so bad. My understanding is that you always file against as many defendants as reasonably possible, just to set the net. It's quite possible that the claim against the novelization writer quickly 12(b)(6)'d out and even if it wasn't, I'd suspect that the novelization writer has a boffo cross-claim against the movie production company and his own publisher for indemnification. I can guarantee he'd never have paid a dime (except to his lawyers). I could say with more certainty, but I know less about IP law than any professional writer, I'm sure.

However, I can understand why it's a rule you'd take seriously. I was just curious if it was part of your contract, or just a prudential and sensible move.

I remember once I had the idea to do a comic version of the Iliad, this being back when I had the time to devote to penciling and coloring and all that noise, and discovering halfway through it that Eric Shannower was doing Age of Bronze. Mine was ultimately completely different (think that Richard III movie with Ian MacKellan), but I avoided reading page one of AoB like it was the plague, for fear of contamination. Until I had abandoned the project, I hadn't seen more than a few issue covers. It turned out it was pretty good, and he draws better than me, the dick.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

My problem with Christopher is less his writing and more his attitude. I can no longer feel good about buying any of his books because of the way I see him treat people around here and the deference others show towards that. I'm not going to pay for that kind of behavior. If I want one of his books, I'll get it secondhand.

I wondered how long it would take until that came up. If that's really such an important criterion to you, you'll find your choice of entertainment quite limited. Many (maybe even most) artists are jerks (that doesn't mean that I think CLB is a jerk). I guess, you need a certain egotistical mindset to muster the discipline and conviction it takes to create a work of art. I don't think it diminishes their accomplishments.

Oh, I disagree. The inability of a writer to control him/herself...IN WRITING...is a lack of discipline, in my opinion. And that's simply not something that scores points in my book.

There are MANY writers here in the Fanfic forum...and some of the professional authors, too...who know how to behave themselves. There's no reason the rest can't follow that example.

 

[SLWalker]

Oh, I disagree. The inability of a writer to control him/herself...IN WRITING...is a lack of discipline, in my opinion. And that's simply not something that scores points in my book.

There are MANY writers here in the Fanfic forum...and some of the professional authors, too...who know how to behave themselves. There's no reason the rest can't follow that example.

What she said. I get paid for writing; that doesn't give me free rein to be a jerk. It doesn't give ANYONE free rein to be a jerk.

 

[Count Zero]

I remember once I had the idea to do a comic version of the Iliad, this being back when I had the time to devote to penciling and coloring and all that noise, and discovering halfway through it that Eric Shannower was doing Age of Bronze. Mine was ultimately completely different (think that Richard III movie with Ian MacKellan), but I avoided reading page one of AoB like it was the plague, for fear of contamination. Until I had abandoned the project, I hadn't seen more than a few issue covers. It turned out it was pretty good, and he draws better than me, the dick.

Wow, awesome idea. I've just recently read the Iliad and I, too, had all those images in my mind, so a comic version sounds quite intriguing.

Oh, I disagree. The inability of a writer to control him/herself...IN WRITING...is a lack of discipline, in my opinion. And that's simply not something that scores points in my book.

There are MANY writers here in the Fanfic forum...and some of the professional authors, too...who know how to behave themselves. There's no reason the rest can't follow that example.

What she said. I get paid for writing; that doesn't give me free rein to be a jerk. It doesn't give ANYONE free rein to be a jerk.

And that's not what I meant, at all. But let's leave it at that, I feel a bit uncomfortable discussing this behind the person's back, so to speak.
I just find it rather arbitrary to boycott the books of someone one thinks is a jerk, when a lot of authors are jerks but you just don't know it (or can't know it because they've been dead for a while). So I don't mind.
If I limited the art I could enjoy to works created by people who "know how to behave themselves", my cultural life would be pretty empty.
Besides, I'm a bit wary of "punishing" (e.g. by things like boycotting their books) people for perceived character flaws. To do that, I'd have to be absolutely sure I was the better person and I'm not sure.
Of course, it's different if you're really affected in your enjoyment by knowledge. My advice: don't let it affect you, but that's easy for me to say.

ETA: Ok, so I didn't leave it at that...

 

[SLWalker]

If I limited the art I could enjoy to works created by people who "know how to behave themselves", my cultural life would be pretty empty.
Besides, I'm a bit wary of "punishing" (e.g. by things like boycotting their books) people for perceived character flaws. To do that, I'd have to be absolutely sure I was the better person and I'm not sure.
Of course, it's different if you're really affected in your enjoyment by knowledge. My advice: don't let it affect you, but that's easy for me to say.

ETA: Ok, so I didn't leave it at that...

Oh, sure. But if you do know and decide not to put money in that person's pockets because of their poor attitude, they really only have themselves to blame for displaying it. If you don't know, that's fine. ;-) Personal responsibility = don't want people to know your a jerk, don't fling your jerkitude out there. If you do, live with the fact people might not buy your stuff because of it.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

And Count Zero--if that author has been an ass to YOU, PERSONALLY, you really think you'd want to read their work?

This has happened to me. And I don't.

 

[Count Zero]

I think I would continue reading their books, yeah.
Depends a little on what exactly had happened, I guess. I don't take what happens on a message board too seriously or personally. A lot of context is lost in this medium. Also, I once met a troll from another board who used to rile me up in real life and found out he was just a poor bastard. Ever since then, I'm a lot more relaxed regarding the internet.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I don't know about that. To me, if a person is so cavalier about those they deal with online that they think their actions and words have no consequences...that tells me all that I need to know. That doesn't mean I can't feel sorry for the circumstances they might be in--but we make a choice as to how we're going to handle the rough patches in our lives, and unless somebody is mentally incompetent and therefore unable to make that choice...in my mind I hold people responsible for their conduct, on and offline.

 

[TerriO]

I never thought I'd see the day I'd be posting this, but can we please keep off the personal commentary about Christopher?

Commenting on the writing is one thing, commenting on the person is something else entirely.

 

[Aquehonga]

TerriO, how long have you been a mod of this here forum?

I remember, many moons ago, you were mod of Sci-Tech yes

Or was it Misc

Or maybe both of those

Can mods mod more than 1 board? Could they at 1 time?

I'm talking way over 2 years ago, I could swear you modded Sci-Tech &/or Misc

Folks, getting back to aficionadofic, not many crossover fanfix in here these days.

No:
ST/SW, ST/B5, STAR TREK/ALIEN(S), ST/TZ, ST/TOL. ST/Irwin Allen, ST/BSG, ST/BR, ST/TFs, ST/MOTU, ENT/QL, DS9/S:FH &/or Hawk, TOS/TJ Hooker entc entc ent al.

Y'all fellow aficionados get my drift anyways yes

 

[TerriO]

I've been the second here for about a year now. Maybe longer, I've lost count. And we have plenty of mods who cover 2 or more fora. I've had Sci-Tech since it was created back in 2005 or so.

 

[DavidFalkayn]

Folks, getting back to aficionadofic, not many crossover fanfix in here these days.

No:
ST/SW, ST/B5, STAR TREK/ALIEN(S), ST/TZ, ST/TOL. ST/Irwin Allen, ST/BSG, ST/BR, ST/TFs, ST/MOTU, ENT/QL, DS9/S:FH &/or Hawk, TOS/TJ Hooker entc entc ent al.

For the most part, crossovers aren't too popular here for a variety of reasons. Personally, I don't like "actor based" crossovers: those stories where TJ Hooker and James Kirk meet and they both go, "Whoa! I look just like you!" There's no law that says that just because an actor played parts in two series you're crossing over those characters have to look alike.

That doesn't mean there haven't been one or two crossovers: Dnoth wrote a Transformers/Trek crossover a while back that went over really well. Also, there have been a couple of "stealth" crossovers--I'm writing one myself that's currently on hiatus (Trek/V/UFO). Stealth crossovers take elements from other series or movies etc, but fix them squarely within the Trek 'verse. But generally, no, you don't see too many "straight" crossovers here.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

Folks, getting back to aficionadofic, not many crossover fanfix in here these days.

I did a TNG/SG1 crossover. I gave it a bump in case anyone is interested.


(Sorry, TerriO, I know you have to avoid anything dealing with SG.)



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