Rate TMP the Original Cinema Version vs Directors Edition

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Re: Rate TMP the Original Cinema Version vs Directors Editio

I prefer the Director's Cut DVD version as it is tighter in its cut and pacing (though I hate that they cut Decker's line, "We all create god in our own image."). While the original release and the subsequent SLV were slow and plodding, I've always had a fondness for TMP because it was trying to say something and do something epic with Trek even if the execution wasn't altogether perfect. TMP more than any of the other movies, especially the TNG-crew run, had a strong theme and tone. TVH comes close as does TWOK.

 

[David cgc]

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Cyrus said:
It had all the SLV scenes minus the stupid "kirk in the wrong spacesuit" scenes, plus some extra scenes.

Extra scenes above and beyond what was in the SLV? Like what?

 

[Cyrus]

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David cgc said:
Extra scenes above and beyond what was in the SLV? Like what?

I saw this version just once and it was 16 years ago, so I don't remember the details. All I remember is that there were a couple of short scenes I hadn't seen before, not even in the SLV. They may have been added to the DE. Are there scenes in the DE that were not in the SLV?

 

[Stardate]

Re: Rate TMP the Original Cinema Version vs Directors Editio

I do like all version of TMP but hindsight 20/20 i see now the original version wasn't completely finished when it was released in 1979..
I also like the extended TV version but its was extension from unfinished original version.
Of course their is some minor scenes from Original or extended TV version of the film i would like to be in Directors Edition. f.e when Illia confirmed Decker navigation calculation numbers and then smiled at him.
But overall i lke Directors Edition new visual effects and the paceing was much better.
SO i am going to vote DE/4/5


One thing i am sure is they did the right thing cutting Illia & Sulu scene where showed Sulu played by George Takai having crush on Illia(more likely he was watching Decker reflection from Illia bald head .

 

[cardinal biggles]

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Even if Takei were straight, I doubt that scene could have been less embarrassing. It was poorly written, and he just isn't that great an actor anyway.

 

[MarianLH]

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None of them are perfect, but taken altogether, I like the SLV best. The DE cuts too many moments I like and adds too many things I don't, like that goofy nacelle-out-the-window shot. I can live with the slower pacing and fast-forward through the Sulu scene.


Marian

 

[Maurice]

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If you're fast-forwarding, you're editing, which makes it the YOU edition.

 

[aridas sofia]

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The definitive version of TMP has yet to be made. So, I'll hold out for that. But if forced to choose, I'd rather have a puzzle with pieces missing (theatrical release) than a puzzle with the wrong pieces stuck in the gaps (DE). I can only imagine that the DE feels so very wrong because Roddenberry had his hands in everything Trek, and he wasn't around for Wise's "director's cut." So the stuff that defines the milieu -- sound and visual contributions to the "reality" of the movie -- just aren't completely square with his vision of Trek, as I have come to understand and appreciate it.

I do hope that someday, when technology makes it feasible, archived material will make a proper Roddenberry-esque version possible. Even if fans have to create it.

 

[Deleted 2]

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^ A 'fixed' version would be feasible now. Painting correct mattes for Vulcan and the Wingwalk scene isn't impossible, and neither is inserting them into the footage.

Fixing the out-of-order visuals for Spock's flight through V'Ger's interior chamber should also be easy enough.

None of those adjustments would require great creativity--there are ample indications as to what the Gol Plateau was supposed to look like, and we know what the Enterprise saucer should look like--just great skill.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

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cardinal biggles said:
Even if Takei were straight, I doubt that scene could have been less embarrassing. It was poorly written, and he just isn't that great an actor anyway.

While I think Takei did well in his recent outing on New Voyages, I have to agree that Takei is just an average actor who's only saving grace is his wonderful voice. For this reason, I was against a "Captain Sulu" series as I don't think he has the presence to be the lead of an ensemble.

And that bit with Ilia and Sulu was odd and juvenile, which made it strangely out of tone with the reminder of the film.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

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I agree with you about why a Captain Sulu series would have been a bad idea--he was awful on Voyager. I never minded that scene in the SLV, though. It was the discarded memory wall footage, complete with pre-matte sound-stage and alternate thruster suit, that grinds my gears.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Re: Rate TMP the Original Cinema Version vs Directors Editio

^I'll be honest, I never noticed the different thruster suit until someone pointed it out to me (probably on here). It was always the exposed scaffolding that caught my attention.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

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Alt suit or not, the added footage added nothing except an excuse for ABC to add more commercials.

 

[MarianLH]

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DS9Sega said:
If you're fast-forwarding, you're editing, which makes it the YOU edition.

I rather like the sound of that. Maybe I should get a copy of Final Cut and take the DE to the cleaners.


Marian

 

[Gagarin]

Re: Rate TMP the Original Cinema Version vs Directors Editio

I didn't like the sound effects changed in the DE.
But... for me the pacing still wasn't any better. All the DE scenes still need to be played at 2x the current speed. Even if they are done digitially.. I can only take so many "Enterprise flies from the right side of the screen to the left side" scenes.

1 star DE, 2 stars original!

 

[Cranston]

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I think the DE version was an improvement, but it still could've been tightened enormously. I actually am quite fond of TMP, and it's my favorite of the films from the character standpoint, but clinically the film was bloated and uneven.

I give both versions 3 stars.