Ok since it seems like First Contact has been getting alot of bashing lately I thought it would be interesting to see what people think of it in the form of a poll. I still love the movie and am baffled to see it get so much hate. So I want to see what other trek fans think of it in a poll. Is it true that this movie has fallen in the eyes of Trek fans? Or is it still a fan favorite? Let the voting begin and we shall find out!
Rate First Contact! Is it still a Fan Favorite?
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Borg eat BRAINS!!!!!!!
People forgot it was a TNG movie. Now that they've remembered, we have bashing topics of FC to go along with the other 3. I know it's all subjective, but with GEN and FC, TNG movies had 2 good ones out of 4. Compared to TOS having only one really good movie out of 6 (TUC).
I liked it, some great Picard speeches, a good soundtrack but it's a shame about the Zombie Borg
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.Reverance for the TOS cast is understandable, but blinding. Fans love to heap ridicule on Insurrection, for example, which is indeed not a very good movie. However, it is more watchable and entertaining than TMP, TFF, TUC and most of the TSFS. Granted that is not saying much. Too often watching the TOS films is like attending somebody else's high school reunion. Awkward and dull.
One the exciting things about the new movie is that we now have a chance to see Trek truly come into its own on the big screen. Previously, television is where Trek has thrived. First Contact is the movie that best translates what is great about the television shows to the big screen. TWOK is excellent, too, but for other reasons.
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First Contact is still my pick for best of all of the movies.
I loved First Contact when it first came out, and I still love it today. Sure, it has plot holes, but most of the Trek films do (the new one has them in spades, but it's still a highly enjoyable film), so I don't think it's any less forgivable here. I enjoy the action, (most of) the humour, and the interactions between the characters. In fact, even though it's still largely the Picard-and-Data show, I think this film gave the other regulars a chance to shine more than the rest of the TNG movies did, and I also think Woodard, Cromwell, and Krige were very effective in their roles.
All in all, I think it's great, and prior to this year, it was the last time I walked out of a showing of a Star Trek movie satisfied and enthusiastic.
All in all, I think it's great, and prior to this year, it was the last time I walked out of a showing of a Star Trek movie satisfied and enthusiastic.
What he said. First Contact is a very strong Trek movie, imho stronger than any TOS produced.
It's my third favorite Trek movie after ST 2009 and Khan.
Borg Queen: Data, would you like to be more fully functional?
Data: Yes, please, may I have some more?
Borg Queen: Hold on one moment while I apply an extra coat of this 7-11 red ruby lipstick.
Drones: MORE BRAAAAIIIIIINSSS!!!!!!!
But seriously, all the bad time travel crap, dumb borg modding, and canon retconning aside, this movie's worst conceit is redoing Picard's whole grudge match with the Borg.
Let's face it, he put those demons behind him in I, Borg. He dealt with it in a very Picard manner and it was extremely satisfying. FC brings it back up again but makes it less satifying because Picard's actions run the gamut from childish and whiny to vengeful Punisher anti-hero. This isn't the guy I loved for seven years. No sir.
Data: Yes, please, may I have some more?
Borg Queen: Hold on one moment while I apply an extra coat of this 7-11 red ruby lipstick.
Drones: MORE BRAAAAIIIIIINSSS!!!!!!!
But seriously, all the bad time travel crap, dumb borg modding, and canon retconning aside, this movie's worst conceit is redoing Picard's whole grudge match with the Borg.
Let's face it, he put those demons behind him in I, Borg. He dealt with it in a very Picard manner and it was extremely satisfying. FC brings it back up again but makes it less satifying because Picard's actions run the gamut from childish and whiny to vengeful Punisher anti-hero. This isn't the guy I loved for seven years. No sir.
I would like to see just one "Star Trek: First Contact" thread that doesn't degenerate into the same tiresome, petty, over analytical, and mean-spirited bashing that all threads about the movie seem to become. When the point of the thread is to point out some criticism of the movie, that's fair enough, but even when I started a thread to talk about why I love the movie, it turned into the usual "blah blah, they ruined the Borg, blah blah plot holes, blah blah Picard is out of character, blah blah" ranting.
I hope that my post will not be an 'anomaly'
in this thread when I say I love this movie and consider it the best Star Trek movie and one of my favourite movies overall. I love TrekBBS and the thoughtfulness of its members in general...my biggest disappointment about both is how much many of the site's members see fit to spitefully rip and nitpick this fantastic movie constantly.
I have no quarrel with most criticisms of "Generations", "Insurrection", and "Nemesis" as they are all clearly deeply flawed movie (especially the latter two), but "Star Trek: First Contact" is a top notch production in terms of acting, writing, production value, and direction that measures up quality-wise to both the other TNG movies (all of which it is light years better than) and the original Star Trek movies, most of which is better than (I, III, V, VI) or at least as equal to (II and IV).
I hope that my post will not be an 'anomaly'
in this thread when I say I love this movie and consider it the best Star Trek movie and one of my favourite movies overall. I love TrekBBS and the thoughtfulness of its members in general...my biggest disappointment about both is how much many of the site's members see fit to spitefully rip and nitpick this fantastic movie constantly.I have no quarrel with most criticisms of "Generations", "Insurrection", and "Nemesis" as they are all clearly deeply flawed movie (especially the latter two), but "Star Trek: First Contact" is a top notch production in terms of acting, writing, production value, and direction that measures up quality-wise to both the other TNG movies (all of which it is light years better than) and the original Star Trek movies, most of which is better than (I, III, V, VI) or at least as equal to (II and IV).
I don't know where the idea that it looks cheap comes from. It had state of the art special effects for the time (especially obvious in the too brief, but still enthralling opening battle between the Borg and the Starfleet ships) and make-up that was superb enough to be nominated for (and robbed of) an Academy Award. The behind the scenes featurettes on the DVD confirm that its visuals and production design were crafted with the utmost love, dedication, and professionalism and took full advantage of a considerable budget.
P.S. It pains me to be in such strong disagreement with a member who has named himself after and littered his profile with references to my second favourite movie.
P.S. It pains me to be in such strong disagreement with a member who has named himself after and littered his profile with references to my second favourite movie.
ONE really good TOS movie??? What?
Try three: TWoK, TVH and TUC.
Again, what??? Sorry, that happened with TWoK, 27 years ago.
I started the "FC isn't a great movie" but just because I had cinematographic issues, especially trying to take a non-initate point of view. But I do think it is a good Trek movie, story-wise it would certainly have been amognst the best episodes, next to "Best of both worlds" (an immediate sequel to that episode, in fact, would have been awesome).
Well it kind of was an immediate sequel to "Best of Both Worlds" (aside from the Borg Queen retcon) since it ignores the events of "I, Borg" and "Descent".
And in response to the other post, I think it's just as unfair to say there was only one good Star Trek movie in the first six as it is to say there were no good TNG movies. I wouldn't consider "The Undiscovered Country" a strong example to support that argument, though. It was a satisfying enough finale for the original crew (a hell of a lot more satisfying than Nemesis was for the TNG crew, that's for damn sure), but it's not nearly as polished and tightly written/directed as "The Wrath of Khan" and "The Voyage Home". It also (deservedly) isn't as universally praised.
I still like the movie. It is still as entertaining as when I first watched it. As far a Picard not acting in character I can let it slide and will even defend the writers. I really think being assimilated has to be something you can’t ever really get over; even Picard would have issues for a long time afterwards. I don’t think that is something that could dare be shown on TNG while it was a series. First Contact gave the chance to explore that more and show Picard damaged. I remember the final scene of Best of Both Worlds with the camera going away from Picard as he looked out his window. What could be going through his mind I don’t know but I am sure it would take more than a visit with his family on the next week’s episode and an encounter with a sympathetic disconnected drone to truly heal his wounds.
It is strange that no one faults Kirk for hating the Klingons in TUC, they killed his son and he fought a cold war against them for most of his career. Yet Picard can’t hate and want revenge on the Borg for violating and using him in such a personal and terrifying way.
And remember RDM was a writer here, if there is one thing he loves it’s to make character suffer
It is strange that no one faults Kirk for hating the Klingons in TUC, they killed his son and he fought a cold war against them for most of his career. Yet Picard can’t hate and want revenge on the Borg for violating and using him in such a personal and terrifying way.
And remember RDM was a writer here, if there is one thing he loves it’s to make character suffer
I loved the movie, when I saw it in the theater, and subsequent times. I thought the effects were well done, the story solid, and I thought it was very clever how they managed to get Worf on the ship. If anything, it was a pleasure to get to see the Phoenix on the big screen and the beginning of the adventure.
