I'm sure the parents in the 1950's expressed similar opinions about the music their kids listened to.
Neither did The Beatles in the songs "Yesterday," "In My Life" and dozens of others.I mean, the friggin' Bee Gees are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Does anyone here really think the Bee Gees are a rock band? Even if you disregard the disco stuff? They didn't exactly rock out on "New York Mining Disaster 1941".
No. Rap is not rock.
Though, if Rap artists want to recognized similarly in some kind of hall of fame then why not just make a rap and Hip Hop Hall of fame instead.
I'm sure the parents in the 1950's expressed similar opinions about the music their kids listened to.
Uh, well, yeah, but that was music.
No. Rap is not rock.
Though, if Rap artists want to recognized similarly in some kind of hall of fame then why not just make a rap and Hip Hop Hall of fame instead.
Frankly, I can't believe it's 2009 and people are still debating whether or not rap and hip hop are valid forms of musical self expression. If this were 1989, I could maybe understand it, but rap has only been influential in the world of pop music for what, thirty years now?
People are just as bigoted towards Afro-Americans as they used to be years ago, and that extends to music, too.
Sadly, this probably is true.People are just as bigoted towards Afro-Americans as they used to be years ago, and that extends to music, too.
Sadly, I do think a lot of the criticism comes down to not liking the kind of people who listen to rap, you know, "those" people, and instead of just saying that, we get all these ridiculous rationalizations for why rap is not music. Such as "it doesn't rhyme" or "it glorifies violence", which are both things that can be said about a lot of rock and heavy metal.
No. Rap is not rock.
Though, if Rap artists want to recognized similarly in some kind of hall of fame then why not just make a rap and Hip Hop Hall of fame instead?
You haven't read very far back in this discussion, have you? The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has included non-rock and roll artists pretty much from the beginning.
So are a lot of other artists I'd consider to be some other genre of music other than rock and roll, like disco, and folk. It's pretty strange if you ask me. You don't slap a label that says "milk" on a gallon of orange juice, you don't put pornography in the childrens' movie section, similarly something that's not rock and in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, shouldn't be there, in my opinion.Too late though, rappers are already in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and that's the way it's gonna stay.
No. Rap is not rock.
Though, if Rap artists want to recognized similarly in some kind of hall of fame then why not just make a rap and Hip Hop Hall of fame instead.
You haven't read very far back in this discussion, have you? The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has included non-rock and roll artists pretty much from the beginning.
No. Rap is not rock.
Though, if Rap artists want to recognized similarly in some kind of hall of fame then why not just make a rap and Hip Hop Hall of fame instead?
You haven't read very far back in this discussion, have you? The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has included non-rock and roll artists pretty much from the beginning.
I didn't really have to, since I've been there, and seen it's incomprehensibility (but I skimmed through the whole thread). Doesn't mean it should. I just object to it from a standpoint of logic though. It doesn't make sense.
So are a lot of other artists I'd consider to be some other genre of music other than rock and roll, like disco, and folk. It's pretty strange if you ask me. You don't slap a label that says "milk" on a gallon of orange juice, you don't put pornography in the childrens' movie section, similarly something that's not rock and in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, shouldn't be there, in my opinion.Too late though, rappers are already in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and that's the way it's gonna stay.![]()
You don't slap a label that says "milk" on a gallon of orange juice, you don't put pornography in the childrens' movie section, similarly something that's not rock and in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, shouldn't be there, in my opinion.![]()
I didn't really have to, since I've been there, and seen it's incomprehensibility (but I skimmed through the whole thread). Doesn't mean it should. I just object to it from a standpoint of logic though. It doesn't make sense.
Ok. Well then. That sums it up, the whole awards ceremony lacks artistic integrity then.
Def Leppard
Kiss
Led Zeppelin
Twisted Sister
Billy Idol
Joan Jett
Pat Benatar
Heart
Bon Jovi
Cheap Trick
George Thorogood
Meatloaf
Guns n Roses
Quiet Riot
Poison
Judas Priest
I didn't really have to, since I've been there, and seen it's incomprehensibility (but I skimmed through the whole thread). Doesn't mean it should. I just object to it from a standpoint of logic though. It doesn't make sense.
Ok. Well then. That sums it up, the whole awards ceremony lacks artistic integrity then.
Maybe they just have a broader and more inclusive definition of rock and roll. Speaking of which:
Def Leppard
Kiss
Led Zeppelin
Twisted Sister
Billy Idol
Joan Jett
Pat Benatar
Heart
Bon Jovi
Cheap Trick
George Thorogood
Meatloaf
Guns n Roses
Quiet Riot
Poison
Judas Priest
That's a really narrow and restrictive list. There are a few artists I like in there, but it really doesn't overlap much with any list of great rock and roll I'd put together.
Bear in mind that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a commercial enterprise. It's supposed to attract crowds to show up and visit the museum. If it takes the narrowest, most conventional definition of rock and roll, it's going to appeal to a smaller percentage of the population.
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