Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
Well, for beginners, they were made 30 years ago, not 10....
Well, for beginners, they were made 30 years ago, not 10....
Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LXG
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Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
Perhaps Trekker and I don't see this the same way. "Retro" doesn't just mean old, and it doesn't just mean a movie that's set in the past. It refers to the movie's style, and the inspiration for it. The Indiana Jones movies were intentionally made in a style that emulated the old adventure serials. Many of the characters and situations reflect that.
The Mummy movies, and especially LXG, were just emulating Indiana Jones and other action movies. The characters, their behavior and attitudes, were those of 21st-century Americans transplanted into a past setting. The situations-- well, why do we see a high-speed car chase in the 19th century? That's not retro, it's just weird.
It doesn't mean the movies aren't good or fun to watch. It just means they don't all classify the same.
IMHO. (Which is an interesting acronym to use when referencing "The Mummy."
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Perhaps Trekker and I don't see this the same way. "Retro" doesn't just mean old, and it doesn't just mean a movie that's set in the past. It refers to the movie's style, and the inspiration for it. The Indiana Jones movies were intentionally made in a style that emulated the old adventure serials. Many of the characters and situations reflect that.
The Mummy movies, and especially LXG, were just emulating Indiana Jones and other action movies. The characters, their behavior and attitudes, were those of 21st-century Americans transplanted into a past setting. The situations-- well, why do we see a high-speed car chase in the 19th century? That's not retro, it's just weird.
It doesn't mean the movies aren't good or fun to watch. It just means they don't all classify the same.
IMHO. (Which is an interesting acronym to use when referencing "The Mummy."
)
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
"Retro" to me means an "old movie that has a vibe indicative of the era it was made in." Indiana Jones' original movies, while set in the 30s, have a "vibe" about them that just feels like the action movies of the 70s and 80s.
The Mummy movies cannot qualify as "retro" because they're simply not old enough to stand out as a "feel" for movies of the era they are in. None of the other movies in that list can and certainly not "KotCS" which came out last year!
Unless, of course, by "retro actionfilms" we're not talking about the film themselves but the time those movies are set in. Which then, OK, the movies probably qualify.
"Retro" to me means an "old movie that has a vibe indicative of the era it was made in." Indiana Jones' original movies, while set in the 30s, have a "vibe" about them that just feels like the action movies of the 70s and 80s.
The Mummy movies cannot qualify as "retro" because they're simply not old enough to stand out as a "feel" for movies of the era they are in. None of the other movies in that list can and certainly not "KotCS" which came out last year!
Unless, of course, by "retro actionfilms" we're not talking about the film themselves but the time those movies are set in. Which then, OK, the movies probably qualify.
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
I don't think that's what "retro" is supposed to mean. Your description is the same as calling a movie "dated."
Anyway-- if we can't agree on that, I'd better not try convincing Hyperspace05 of anything.
I don't think that's what "retro" is supposed to mean. Your description is the same as calling a movie "dated."
Anyway-- if we can't agree on that, I'd better not try convincing Hyperspace05 of anything.
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
That's definitely not what the OP meant by "retro." He clearly meant period adventures set more or less in the pulp era--and attempting to capture the feel of the old pulp magazines and movie serials. Like Indiana Jones, the new MUMMY movies, etc.
(LXG is pushing things a bit, since it's set during the Victorian era, but it's going for the same sort of pulp adventure vibe. Not so sure about VAN HELSING, which is more of an attempt to blend the Indy formula with Gothic horror.)
That's definitely not what the OP meant by "retro." He clearly meant period adventures set more or less in the pulp era--and attempting to capture the feel of the old pulp magazines and movie serials. Like Indiana Jones, the new MUMMY movies, etc.
(LXG is pushing things a bit, since it's set during the Victorian era, but it's going for the same sort of pulp adventure vibe. Not so sure about VAN HELSING, which is more of an attempt to blend the Indy formula with Gothic horror.)
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
I wouldn't count LXG as retro at all. Sure it's set in the past, but it feels like a very 21st century, Post Matrix movie. The Indy flicks and the Mummy movies feel (to me at least) like the kind of movies they might have made in the 30's if they had access to modern film making techniques.
To me "retro" means not only is the movie set in the past, but it feels like it is a part of that past.
I wouldn't count LXG as retro at all. Sure it's set in the past, but it feels like a very 21st century, Post Matrix movie. The Indy flicks and the Mummy movies feel (to me at least) like the kind of movies they might have made in the 30's if they had access to modern film making techniques.
To me "retro" means not only is the movie set in the past, but it feels like it is a part of that past.
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
YES.
I've never understood people's love of Last Crusade. It turned Indy into a cartoon. Bah.
Personally, as far as the Indiana Jones Movies: Ark, Temple of Doom, and Skulls and Crusade are tied.
And yes, I've recently watched Temple of Doom...it's not the rose tinted glasses of memory.
YES.
I've never understood people's love of Last Crusade. It turned Indy into a cartoon. Bah.
Personally, as far as the Indiana Jones Movies: Ark, Temple of Doom, and Skulls and Crusade are tied.
And yes, I've recently watched Temple of Doom...it's not the rose tinted glasses of memory.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
1. Last Crusade
2. Raiders
3. BTF3
4. BTF 2
5. Temple of Doom
6. BTF
7. POTC
8. POTC 3
9. POTC 2
10. KOTCS
1. Last Crusade
2. Raiders
3. BTF3
4. BTF 2
5. Temple of Doom
6. BTF
7. POTC
8. POTC 3
9. POTC 2
10. KOTCS
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Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
Pirates of the Caribbean is an even bigger stretch than League of the Extraordinary Gentlemen if you ask me.
Pirates of the Caribbean is an even bigger stretch than League of the Extraordinary Gentlemen if you ask me.
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
There were many 'retro' elements to KoTCS (the backlot look, the red line and map etc) but they were overshadowed by honking CGI that eliminated any illusion you may have had that you were watching a movie made many years ago.
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
That is an interesting thing to say. Up thread, it was mentioned that the Indy films were made in the style of a 1930s serial if 1930s serial filmmakers had access to then-modern filmmaking techniques. CGI is the current main tool of filmmaking effects today.
Quality and personal preference aside, wouldn't the filmmakers, in this case 1950s B-Movies, use CGI if it was accessible to them?
That is an interesting thing to say. Up thread, it was mentioned that the Indy films were made in the style of a 1930s serial if 1930s serial filmmakers had access to then-modern filmmaking techniques. CGI is the current main tool of filmmaking effects today.
Quality and personal preference aside, wouldn't the filmmakers, in this case 1950s B-Movies, use CGI if it was accessible to them?
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
For flying saucers, maybe. For gophers, no.
Re: Ranking the retro adventure films: Indiana Jones, The Mummy and LX
I thought the gophers were a very good way to start the movie. Like David Lynch opening Fire Walk With Me with the image of an axe pummelling a TV set, it means "please leave your expectations at the door, this is something else". In both cases, though, most people did not.
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You know, that is probably a good way of putting it.
I loved Indy 4, but I can see why others may not have.
You know, that is probably a good way of putting it.
I loved Indy 4, but I can see why others may not have.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
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Pirates and BTF were awsome trilogies and kick ass adventure movie,I will not apologize for that the mumy movies are wanna be's
Er, yes Pirates and Bttf are ineligible for this list.
Pirates and BTF were awsome trilogies and kick ass adventure movie,I will not apologize for that the mumy movies are wanna be's
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Pirates and Back to the Future (especially BTTF) are much better than the Mummy moveis, but neither are "retro".
Pirates and Back to the Future (especially BTTF) are much better than the Mummy moveis, but neither are "retro".