Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Roald, Oct 17, 2017.
To me "DS9" already did this. Only big difference is the characters are a little more modern in their dialogue and the arc is more of a focus of every episode. I still would call it a action adventure show more than a pure drama. To me this isn't a insult because action adventure shows can have interesting characters just like any other show and whatever premise they are going for.
I think it's kind of early to make this list. For starters all new Trek shows will be instantly seen as the greatest Trek ever or the worst Trek ever by many because it's new and people will be super excited just to see new Trek or really angry that it isn't like the old Trek they loved. Still as a Trek fan it's our duty to think and discuss every variable of the show so I will do my part.
TOS: KIrk/Spock/McCoy will most likely keep at number 1 or 2 for just about forever. Nothing in Trek can ever really beat them. Sometimes I do rotate DS9 as my favorite and even TNG but even then I know I prefer Kirk/SPock/MCOy over just about any Trek character or Trek realtionship.
DS9: The most complex of Trek shows. It was ahead of it's time for Trek and it also has not just great characters but tons of them and it took more risks than TNG but it was still playing in the updated universe created by TNG which was fun.
TNG: I think the utopia stuff might not be great drama and might not work for any other show but I do think Pillar found away to make a bad concept work for the most part and I kind of enjoy the future speak of the show. Stewart is Trek's best actor of all-time which makes Picard a great character and I also like how the "canon" we think about with TREK was basically created on this show and it was the first to make the trek universe make some kind of sense.
Orville:: It's not the greatest drama of all-time or the greatest comedy but I love how the characters are just pleasant people to watch and be around and how it harkens back to TNG I got no choice but to really like it. Maybe I also like it because it a counter balance to the real TREK show so you feel like you can have your cake and eat it to. Only reason I give it slight edge over Discovery Is I am sucker for comedy and it tends to beat out drama in a one on one competition.
Discovery: Love every character other than Burnham and even she is okay. I like how modern it feels and Lorca stands out in particular as a strong and complex character. The spore drive kind of interest me more than the war I got to admit and the new Klingons are very boring so those are a few bad things. Also it's nice to see a show in a alternate universe instead of the old universe of the old shows.
Voyager: Not as bad as people make it out to be. It's basically the Micheal Bay version of what Trek would look like if he was in charge. Well that would be the last couple of seasons anyway. The show does have at least 4 seasons in 1,2,4 and 5 which are about as good as some of your good seasons of TNG.
Enterprise: 2 okay seasons at the end just isn't enough to rank it higher. I kind of like how it also tried to be more modern but it ended up being a watered down version of "modern" since earth had already solved it's main problems so the humans still felt to perfect even if the show was in the past.
TAS: It's weird which is nice and it has some nice designs but the voices don't sound right and they added to much kid stuff for the kids at home who would be watching to make it feel very legit.
I'm not going to rank the episodes and don't quite know yet where DSC fits, exactly, in terms of Trek overall, so what I'll say is that, going into the premiere of The Vulcan Hello and Battle at the Binary Stars, I had set DS9 and VOY as my "measuring sticks for DSC to live up to, and, through 5 episodes, the show has met that bar.
As far as ranking the series other than DSC goes, my rankings go DS9 #1, VOY #2, ENT #3, and TNG #4, with TOS going unranked because I haven't seen much of it.
Ranking the episodes:
2. Choose Your Pain
3. Vulcan Hello
5. Butcher's Knife
Series' 5 episodes in:
1. TOS (by some distance)
And TNG is my favorite series. TOS a close second. Everything else a distant 3rd.
TOS seasons one and two.
Yes. Everything after the 60s is apocryphal. When I saw Klingons suddenly have bumpy foreheads with no explanation I cried out "NOT MY STAR TREK!".
After watching TNG Season 1 - I'd say all THREE TOS Seasons are 'Star Trek'
[And no, for me TNG Season 1 in 1987 wasn't]
TNG season one is Star Trek, it's just bad Star Trek.
For me it would have to be:
Discovery - Ep 3-5 - Got the balance just right so far
DS9 - Later seasons & Dominion War
VOY - Later seasons & Seven
Enterprise - Later seasons, hated Xindi arc
TNG - Too Antiseptic for my taste
TOS - Haven't watched in a loooooooong time
I'm not really able to judge it against the other shows yet. It's good but unlike them. I'm a Niner and it probably has more in common with that than most of the others, but DS9 took a fair while to find it's feet.
I certainly prefer it to the early seasons of most of the shows.
Time will tell.
"Ranking is for lackeys."
As I stated in another thread, it took each series 3-4 seasons to become a well-oiled machine, with the exception of TOS which of course had an abysmal 3rd season.
That being said, I'm not ready to do a full-blown ranking of DIS just yet, but based off of the first 5 episodes, my ranks would be:
What about the "TOS" movies and the Kelvin Universe and the Scotty,Spock and Sarek episodes of TNG or the Sulu episode of "Voyager" or the Tribble episode were we see the TOS crew on "DS9.?"
I enjoy some of those (sometimes a lot!), but they aren't Star Trek to me. They are "based upon Star Trek."
Ranking the episodes:
1. Choose Your Pain
2. Context is for Kings
3. Battle at the Binary Stars
4. The Butcher’s Knife...
5. The Vulcan Hello
Still a bit early to rank DSC amongst past Trek, but I’ll give it a go.
Can't really rank it to the other series until the show ends
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