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Rank the Master(s)

Favourite incarnation of the Master?

  • James Dreyfus (BF's audios: The Destination Wars, Home Guard, The Psychic Circus )

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Who's your favorite? Your least favorite? You prefer which incarnation and why?

NOTE #1: For the poll I did include Big Finish audio Masters. Why? Well, performed media>all other media, and also, several of the on-screen Masters have performed those parts on audio as well. Besides, it adds variety.

NOTE #2: Until contradicted on-screen, I've placed the Dhawan incarnation before Gomez, because the former seems more plausibly a post-Simm incarnation than a post-Gomez one. Maybe I'm a nerd, but the utter lack of recognition of the Doctor and Master's struggling friendship from series 10 strongly points towards that direction.

NOTE #3: The poll does include Brayshaw's War Chief. Basically, there's really nothing preventing from acknowledging him as a Master, especially not Timewrym: Exodus. Only fans who don't wish to make that connection.

NOTE #4: I've also placed Peter Pratt and Geoffrey Beevers in the same spot. While they play the same incarnation fairly differently (Pratt overracts as a manic Master, though thankfully without the excessive camp), they are the same incarnation anyway, and thus the placement. Interestingly, also, that Beevers plays this incarnation both before and after the Roberts quasi-incarnation - and yeah, Ainley and Roberts are technically the same incarnation as Pratt/Beevers... but lets call those 13.1 and 13.2 each. :)

Anyway. Discuss!
 
NOTE #3: The poll does include Brayshaw's War Chief. Basically, there's really nothing preventing from acknowledging him as a Master, especially not Timewrym: Exodus. Only fans who don't wish to make that connection.
There's no proof that he is The Master either, just fans wishing it. As much as I love his performance, I didn't vote for him because I don't think he is The Master.

NOTE #4: I've also placed Peter Pratt and Geoffrey Beevers in the same spot. While they play the same incarnation fairly differently (Pratt overracts as a manic Master, though thankfully without the excessive camp), they are the same incarnation anyway, and thus the placement. Interestingly, also, that Beevers plays this incarnation both before and after the Roberts quasi-incarnation - and yeah, Ainley and Roberts are technically the same incarnation as Pratt/Beevers... but lets call those 13.1 and 13.2 each. :)
Ehhh...I think it's better to split the two because the performances are different, along with the make-up. I definitely think of them as separate, especially considering Beevers has done so much with Big Finish. Plus, Beevers has definitely played at least two different incarnations based on Big Finish's timeline (pre-Ainley and post-Ainley, and I want to say there might have been another).

I haven't listened to the Big Finish audios with Dreyfus yet, so I can't vote for him, otherwise I would've voted for everyone (yes, even Roberts, if only because he was great in his triumphant return with Big Finish) except, again, Brayshaw.

If I had to order them, with the caveat that I love them all:

Delgaldo
Beevers (thanks to Big Finish)
Jacobi (both "Utopia" and Big Finish)
Gomez
Dhawan
MacQueen
Simm
Ainley
Roberts
Pratt (another reason to split them)
 
There's no proof that he is The Master either, just fans wishing it. As much as I love his performance, I didn't vote for him because I don't think he is The Master.

Ehhh...I think it's better to split the two because the performances are different, along with the make-up. I definitely think of them as separate, especially considering Beevers has done so much with Big Finish. Plus, Beevers has definitely played at least two different incarnations based on Big Finish's timeline (pre-Ainley and post-Ainley, and I want to say there might have been another).
Re: Brayshaw - Fair enough, Doesn't hurt to be inclusive, though. I didn't vote for him either, but he'd certainly be mid-tier for me.

Re: Pratt and Beevers - You're absolutely right, actually. However, for the poll I included them because they are basically the same, physically scarred incarnation. In any case, you did right by mentioning the difference in the ranking itself.
 
Among my 3 choices I selected Pratt/Beevers but really for Peter's version in "The Deadly Assassin". He was my introduction to the Master (as my PBS station started with the Tom Baker serials) and while the mask was immobile, I found his makeup far more creepy than Beevers'. Geoffrey appeared to have "teeth" painted upon his lips. I found the effect less convincing that Peter's static mask.

So, yeah, I wish the two had been listed separately as my selection would have been a bit more factual.
 
My personal ranking would be this:

1) Geoffrey Beevers - Basically, just as they had rehabilitated the Sixth and, especially, the Eighth Doctor as proper Doctors each, Big Finish managed to make Beevers the most unique and different of all the Masters. He's the creepiest, most menacing of all the Masters, without an ounce of camp, instead his devilish delight coming off as the rare genuine moment of pleasure and enjoyment out of a physically miserable experience. As The Nth Doctor mentioned, he's plays that incarnation in various points of his life - before Ainley, after Ainley but before Roberts, and after Roberts certainly (indeed, this incarnation met his regenerated just last year, in the Ravenous box-sets!), but whenever and whichever Master he was, he's always been a frickin' delight. I hope he does more, especially with the Fourth Doctor, to whom he's become his very own Delgado (much to my delight). Bottom line, when every single Master since Delgado emulated or imitated him, Beevers didn't. Not even in The Keeper of Traken where he was introduced! And for that, he's the best.
2) Roger Delgado - With the Doctor, its rare that the original would be the best or close to it. Its either the Fourth of the Seventh/Tenth/Eleventh/whatever. But with the Master its the opposite. He's the first and most conscise incarnation of the Master, and like I mentoned above, everyone else has tried to emulate him since his untimely passing. However, everyone always accentuates and frankly misinterprets his rare OTT-ness as camp, a mistake that was first done in writing, who never understood, seemingly, that the Master was at his best when he wasn't a flailing egomaniac who spouted platitudes, but when he was calmly and calculatingly sharing his thoughts with his greatest enemy. His menace and appeal has never been bettered, at least not on TV.
3) Derek Jacobi - ... althought Jacobi came close. He's the closest to emulate Delgado, and does on-screen in his brief pre-regeneration scene. Its too bad RTD didn't just keep him for the entire finale. If you can find and listen to his War Master audios, do so. They're worth listening (and WAY better than the War Doctor audios) just for him.
4) Michelle Gomez - The most disturbing Master, for me, because she actually is the only one since Beevers that has any sense of compassion and understanding of decency. Ultimately, that makes her quite interesting because she's also the only one who might end up being a nice person. The ultimate tragedy of it, of course, is that her own past wouldn't let her, and as such, she literally kills herself before she every gets to change for the better. Its a great arc, and Gomez pulls it off commendably.
5) Edward Brayshaw - A pretty great Master, for me, and a pretty different one. He's unlike the others, in that he doesn't at any point in the story try to take over the aliens' plot and do it himself, instead he posits himself as the War Chief, which you can take as either a mask-free disguise ora genuine name change, but either way, he's more cunning and less theatrically evil than the others. He's almost Machiavellian in how, as a Time Lords, he withhelds his greatet knowledge and allows himself to operate as an operative rather as the War Lord, because he knows the War Lord, where the Time Lords ever involved, would get the largest part of the blame. Indeed, he only got away it with a regeneration (or waited around before that, if you believe spin-off comic/book). Brayshaw is pretty underrated for this role, and he should be recognized for his efforts of elevating War Games to an even better serial.
6) Alex MacQueen - Look, I know I've criticised some for their campiness, and he's definitely one of that clique... But, to me, the difference between MacQueen and, say, Dhawan, is that MacQueen does get to be deadly threatening and intimidating, his psychotic attitude a result of his excitement to see his plans to come to fruition. He's the most child-like of the Masters, but he's not less intelligent, and I love how MacQueen manages to communicate this through with his amazing voice acting. I wish we'd see him in the flesh.
7) James Dreyfus - Not a lot to say, but I did love him in The Destination Wars, where he really does steal the scenes he's in and really does a great job at introducing the character in the Doctor Who story chronologically, being suitably menacing and also challenging the viewer/listener as to whether he's telling the truth or not. Sadly, I did not enjoy him as much in his other two stories, where he's the blandest, most flavorless incarnation ever. Indeed, I think those two he recorded before TDW, which would explain a lot. Still, he did a good job in that one, and I place him high for that alone.
8) Anthony Ainley - Possibly the most unfortunate case of an actor playing the Master, because everyone on the creative side sans Ainley almost never really let him play the Master close to what Delgado portrayed, instead insisting him playing him as what they remembered or misremembered from Delgado. Most of his appearences consisted of annoying clownish outfits, boring platitudes about destroying the world/planet/universe/galaxy/reality and just all around crackling and laughing as if to signify how terrifying and psychotic he is, instead of showing it. That being said, he had his moments, and in my mind his performances in Survival, The Five Doctors, The Ultimate Foe, Planet of Fire and Logopolis are pretty good, and definitely closer to what Ainley wanted to do with the Master throughout the years. Its unforunate he'd turned down BF, as I'm sure they'd have tailored the scripts to his personal interest. Ah, well.
9) John Simm - We all know the story. He pretty much overracted and chewed the whole scenery in series 3, and Moffat "fixed" him for his return crossover with Missy. I think we ALL agree to that. But I will contend he managed to convey a slightly more mannered turn in End of Time despite, well, the Master race bits. His one-on-one scenes with Tennant are stunningly acted, and unlike the platitudes the Doctor and Master exchanged in Spyfall and Timeless Children, their conversation there are the very crux of the Doctor's tragic affinity for the Master and the Master's equal inability to take the Doctor on his offer. Simm got some meat on that bone, and he did well with it. Its too bad that wasn't the case for his whole run as the Master, but, we'll always have The Doctor Falls.
10) Sacha Dhawan - He's great in his quiet moments, and indeed he's pretty good for most of Part 1 of Spyfall. However, like Ainley at his worst, he never acts as the Master, instead he overracts and grimaces through the inane material (which is not his fault, clearly), thus robbing us of any opportunity to either be threatened or intimidated by him. Indeed, he's thus far the most cartoonish Master since Eric Roberts and Simm - but both got a better chance thanks to BF. Will Dhawan get that opportunity. I hope he does before then.
11) Eric Roberts - Big Finish to the rescue, otherwise he'd be dead last. "Dressed for the occasion"? No thanks! Thankfully, he was allowed to round the character up considerably in the River Song sixth season set and in the Ravenous 4 box-set, but there's no escaping that this Master was simply an uninteresting aspect of the TV Movie.
12) Peter Pratt - Yeah, he's pretty bad. He just yells and overracts at every turn, never allowing the viewer to be taken in with his condition. In fact, he's easily the worst aspect of The Deadly Assassin, an otherwise stone-cold classic. Luckily, Beevers had done a reading of that very story's novelisation, and I was able to replace Pratt with Beevers' voice for that serial in my own fan-edit (which changed absolutely nothing else otherwise), and let me tell you it was (and is) a superior experience - indeed, the humor in Holmes' insults that he spouts comes off more now. Wish I could share it with you, but YT doesn't like that idea. :(
 
I don't feel comfortable voting because I've only seen Simm, Roberts, Missy, and Delgado.
Of those four I'd probably rank them, Delgado, Missy, Simm, Roberts.
 
In agreement about Dhawan, although Mrs Relayer enjoys his over-the-top-ness.

Favourites ? Delgado and Jacobi. Quite liked Roberts. Absolutely loathed Gomez (probably an understatement).
 
Of the ones I am familiar with

Roger Delgado
Anthony Ainley
Alex MacQueen
Derek Jacobi
John Simm
Michelle Gomez
Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers
Eric Roberts
Sacha Dhawan

Derek Jacobi was pretty good in the War Master audios.
 
Hard to judge really, the Pertwee era is a bit of a gap in my Who knowledge (certainly the Delgado episodes) and much as a companion like Rose divides my opinion (S1 fab, S2 annoying, S4 annoying, TEOT wonderful) so Simm in particular prompts a similar view (he gets better with each appearance).

To be honest my favourite Master is a Missy, though to be honest I thought Jacobi pumped more into 30 seconds as the Master than Simm did in 6+episodes. The shift in his eyes as he remembers who he is is genuinely terrifying!

Dhawan's been a tad OTT, but as others have said, in quieter moments he's quiet effective.
 
Dhawan is a good actor. The material is just beneath him, asking him to camp up the place while he's got nothing to work with.

If he comes back, I do hope he will get to play the Master is a more serious, threatening manner. But I doubt that will happen with Chibndale.
 
Wow, sounds like people really don't like the new version of The Master.
 
Personally, I think Dhawan is a fine choice, and he does have a commanding presence. I just dislike the direction they're taking his incarnation towards and the way he's written. There just aren't any layers there, which I'd argue exist for most of the others.

Any fave stories with the Master? I'll list my top five:

The Deadly Assassin by Robert Holmes - I should note that while the Master is performed pretty badly, the story featuring him is still pretty good. If only Beevers had done this too...
Master by Joseph Lidster (Big Finish) - Just about the more poetic story ever written about the Master and his relationship with the Doctor. Beevers shines in this, and McCoy also has never been better.
World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls/Twice Upon a Time by Steven Moffat
Terror of the Autons by Robert Holmes
Colony in Space by Malcolm Hulke
The Sea Devils by Malcolm Hulke
The Destination Wars by Matt Fitton (Big Finish)
Masterplan by Matt Fitton (Big Finish)
The Glittering Prize by James Goss (Big Finish)
The Devil You Know by Scott Handcock (Big Finish)
The Two Masters by John Dorney (Big Finish)
 
I disagree with the inclusion of the War Chief as the Master, if you were going to include a character from the 1960's why not the one named the Master from The Mind Robber?

My personal preference from best to worst portrayal of the character is: Dhawan, Ainley and Simm and I voted in the poll accordingly.
 
I disagree with the inclusion of the War Chief as the Master, if you were going to include a character from the 1960's why not the one named the Master from The Mind Robber?

Because from 1971 through about 1992 the default assumption by virtually everyone was that the War Chief and the Master were the same guy, but no one has ever tried to argue that the Master and the Master were the same guy.
 
Because the connection between the War Chief and the Master are far more tangible and makes sense. The War Chief's plan forced the Doctor to reveal himself to the Time Lords, and doing so ruined the said plan for the War Chief, revealing him to the Time Lords as well. The consequence of all that was his death and regeneration to Delgado, whose Master arrives in Terror of the Autons wanting to exact vengeance on the Doctor for unspecified reason. The Doctor never questions that he wants to do so, though, implying he knows what his beef is. Its always made sense to me that the Delgado Master wants to exact vengeance on the Doctor for ruining his plans in War Games and wasting a regeneration.
 
  • Delgaldo - the first is the best, as well as being a tough act to follow in that the following three are a virtual tie for one reason or another but one wins out for one particular reason:
  • Ainley - told to be mustache-twirly too often, kids would like it as it was standard to have comic book moo-ha-ha-ha moments (sigh), of which one moment in "Castrovalva" worked about that's about it, but he does also have Traken and Survival/Planet of Fire as examples of more going on. Of big benefit, he's not making stupid sex or campy jokes to take away the villainous nature, even playing scenes straight that could be done as comedy in a stern way (I can easily imagine Gomez or Dhawan doing the "I'm indestructible, the universe knows that!" as a comedy act and, again YMMV, it doesn't do much justice when the comedy is used.)
  • Dhawan - his
    Simm-wannabe moments a la Tennant's nemesis don't do much, but since the 13th Doctor was created with a big influence by Tennant (who is the polar opposite of Simm, of course) it's not unexpected. The more threatening material he delivers proves the forced comic moments only drive down the era. His outfit doesn't do him justice (Joker knock-off, in case the dialogue didn't slap people with it already) but to be fair, the pale orange/teal puke palette hides the outfit's true hues and patterning most of the time. Still, that promotional photo -- Colin's coat is at least original in design.
  • Gomez - superb delivery, though I've not always been a fan of Moffat's comedic styles. There's more to love than to dislike and individual preferences will vary, but she had more of that sappy comedy thrown in and she still had to try to rise above it. Some of it grew on me but some just didn't work. Her arc of becoming good - we all know that wouldn't last but how it transpired was pretty good.
-- the remainder have too little published material to work with that I'm aware of, so they become almost a separate category.

Beevers - excellent as a one-off, if they were going to do some arc of how he got that way - which wouldn't be too interesting outside of one story... he's just out of regenerations, maybe for an immortal species they can take away lives. Do people really want to see a 10 episode arc discussing that?
Pratt - good for a one-off
Roberts - cartoon character that breaks the 4th wall worse. And given he forces the Doctor to see a truth rather than telling it in a way that can too easily be rendered moot and throwaway, that adds enough bonus points.
Simm - largely a cartoon character, but elevated and redeemed in "The Doctor Falls" 2-part finale. Otherwise is more or less a clone of the Joker from 1966 Batman, but in the wrong genre*.
Jacobi (Utopia, is better as Yana than Master - and I prefer the Tremas/Master plan as well, than putting one's personality in a box like one does one's jewelry. It's a bit much. But used to great and much appreciable and appreciated effect with a certain fugitive of the Judoon as it does build on the lore...)

* Yes, genre blending can succeed. It doesn't do so always. It ended up being over the top camp that makes anything from previous eras deemed "camp" pure austere seriousness by comparison. And back then people didn't like camp so maybe NuWHO is doing those eras a service?!

N/A:
MacQueen - not seen or heard



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