Rank & Rate: The Sylvester McCoy Era

[DWF]

After a fairly aimless first season, Sylvester McCoy was able to return some of the mystery to the character of the Doctor. The seventh Doctor was closest in character to the second Doctor both sound manliputors and certainly both were unassuming b ut very dangerous when threatened.

Time and The Rani
Rememberance Of The Daleks
Curse Of Fenric
The Greatest Show In The Galaxy
Ghost Light

Are among of favorites of his stories, I really liked the look and feel of Time and The Rani.

 

[kirk55555]

After a fairly aimless first season, Sylvester McCoy was able to return some of the mystery to the character of the Doctor. The seventh Doctor was closest in character to the second Doctor both sound manliputors and certainly both were unassuming b ut very dangerous when threatened.

How are the 2nd and 7th Doctors anything alike I mean, ignoring my hatred for the 7th Doctor and trying to look at him objectively, personality wise the only Doctor probably less like the 2nd Doctor than the 7th was is the War Doctor. The 2nd Doctor was nice, a bit cowardly at times but he always pulled through, and he cared about his friends and companions.

The 7th Doctor could be cold and calculating, and even if we accept that he cared about Ace (I don't believe that, but the show seemed to want the viewers to believe that) he was much more willing to manipulate friend or foe into doing horrible things to suit his purposes. The 2nd Doctor would never have purposefully shoved Jamie and Zoe into basically their own personal nightmares to "teach a lesson", and the 7th Doctor was much more ruthless with his enemies in general. I just really don't see the connection between those two Doctors

 

[DWF]

After a fairly aimless first season, Sylvester McCoy was able to return some of the mystery to the character of the Doctor. The seventh Doctor was closest in character to the second Doctor both sound manliputors and certainly both were unassuming b ut very dangerous when threatened.

How are the 2nd and 7th Doctors anything alike I mean, ignoring my hatred for the 7th Doctor and trying to look at him objectively, personality wise the only Doctor probably less like the 2nd Doctor than the 7th was is the War Doctor. The 2nd Doctor was nice, a bit cowardly at times but he always pulled through, and he cared about his friends and companions.

The 7th Doctor could be cold and calculating, and even if we accept that he cared about Ace (I don't believe that, but the show seemed to want the viewers to believe that) he was much more willing to manipulate friend or foe into doing horrible things to suit his purposes. The 2nd Doctor would never have purposefully shoved Jamie and Zoe into basically their own personal nightmares to "teach a lesson", and the 7th Doctor was much more ruthless with his enemies in general. I just really don't see the connection between those two Doctors

You clearly aren't looking at them objective, the second Doctor was very much a manliputr in The Tomb Of The Cybermen as the seventh Dcotor ever was. And really the notion that the seventh Doctor tortued Ace is rather silly, she was a tortured teenager when he first met her, she even refued to claim that she had any parents at all in her first story. She really came of age in The Curse Of Fenric and it showed in the final scene. But really both the second and seventh Doctors were as I said unassuming men, not somebody people would look at twice, yet both were very dangerous men aroused.

 

[kirk55555]

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree about this

 

[The Four Doctor]

I don't like Troughton's tendency to panic and quiver in fear in some of his stories

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Yeah, I don't quite see how the Second and Seventh Doctors are alike, myself. I mean, yes, they're both manipulative, but so is the Doctor in general. The Seventh was the most like the Second Doctor in his first season, where JNT really wanted him to be another Troughton-like Doctor, until Cartmel stepped in and totally revisioned the character. And for all the better - he's the most manipulative, calculating, cunning of all the Doctors. Big Finish then added a sense of sadness to him, in his Ace-free stories, which also makes sense.

 

[zarkon]

He really was a douchebag in Tomb though - every single persons death in that serial is directly his fault. I think that ep could have done with a minor rewrite.

 

[kirk55555]

Yeah, I don't quite see how the Second and Seventh Doctors are alike, myself. I mean, yes, they're both manipulative, but so is the Doctor in general. The Seventh was the most like the Second Doctor in his first season, where JNT really wanted him to be another Troughton-like Doctor, until Cartmel stepped in and totally revisioned the character. And for all the better - he's the most manipulative, calculating, cunning of all the Doctors. Big Finish then added a sense of sadness to him, in his Ace-free stories, which also makes sense.

I really liked first season 7th Doctor's personality, and that version I can see how he might be 2nd Doctor-like. I thought Cartmel was responsibly for all of the 7th's era. If JNT was responsible for the good 7th Doctor, and cartmel changed him, that would be one of the few positive things JNT really did for the show, only to have Cartmel ruin it

 

[diankra]

For me:
1-3] Fenric, Survival and Ghost Light, too close to splt.
4) Remembrance
5 Happiness Patrol
6 Battlefield
7 Greatest Show
8 Dragonfire
9 Delta
10 Paradise Towers
11 Nemesis
12 Time and the Rani.
The last three would all make my bottom five of the lot list, I think.

 

[DWF]

Yeah, I don't quite see how the Second and Seventh Doctors are alike, myself. I mean, yes, they're both manipulative, but so is the Doctor in general. The Seventh was the most like the Second Doctor in his first season, where JNT really wanted him to be another Troughton-like Doctor, until Cartmel stepped in and totally revisioned the character. And for all the better - he's the most manipulative, calculating, cunning of all the Doctors. Big Finish then added a sense of sadness to him, in his Ace-free stories, which also makes sense.

I really liked first season 7th Doctor's personality, and that version I can see how he might be 2nd Doctor-like. I thought Cartmel was responsibly for all of the 7th's era. If JNT was responsible for the good 7th Doctor, and cartmel changed him, that would be one of the few positive things JNT really did for the show, only to have Cartmel ruin it

It was Cartmel who returned a sense of mystery to the Doctor.

Q: You’re very secretive in ‘Remembrance of the Daleks’.

A: Am I? I’m up to something, there’s a feeling that the Doctor has a deeper mystery, which Andrew Cartmel wants to give him. He felt that, over the years, the Doctor’s become too well known. We know he went to university somewhere, and they’ve invented all sorts of things about him. This time, we want to create the idea that there’s something even more than just the Doctor Not sinister, but slightly more dangerous. We’ve got Who? again – is he a good man or a bad man? I’m not saying we’ve got that far, just brought back the questions. Whether it works or not, we’ll have to wait and see.

Truthfully after The War Games the Doctor had lost some of his mystery, they just brought back alittle grey to Doctor Who, teh seventh Doctor wasn't completely black of white.

 

[hux]

All i remember was Bertie Bassett. That pretty much put me off for life.

 

[zarkon]

Happiness Patrol was incredible man

Gilbert and the kandyman cracked me up