I noticed in the first episode of DS9 they had a tng crossover. Both Sysco and Picard were captains, but I noticed that Picard had one more circle button on his collar then sysco. Why is this? Does Picard have a higher captain rank because he is a star ship captain?
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Sisko was only a commander at the time. He didn't get promoted to captain till, I dunno, season 3 or something. It was around the same time he shaved his head, grew a beard, and fully became a badass.
Personally, I liked that they started Sisko off as a commander and then became a captain later in the series. It ultimately showed him going from the commander of a little-known outpost to the captain of the most strategic command base during the Dominion War, IMO...
And I don't think that first scene between Sisko and Picard in Emissary would have had the same kind of intensity if they were equal in rank. I got the impression that it was only Picard's rank that kept Sisko from punching his lights out.
And I don't think that first scene between Sisko and Picard in Emissary would have had the same kind of intensity if they were equal in rank. I got the impression that it was only Picard's rank that kept Sisko from punching his lights out.
I dunno about assaulting him, that would've probably ruined his character to a lot of viewers right from the get-go. Though it would definately make Picard the bigger man for talking to him again at the end of Emissary, and Sisko would REALLY feel lousy about his past actions.
As for the Commander thing, it was partially to explain why he got a backwater outpost like DS9 whereas a Captain would probably be given at least his own ship (Lt Cmdrs and Commanders do command their own vessels, just not big Battleships or the like). Of course B5 fans will state their reasoning as to why he was a Commander...
As for the Commander thing, it was partially to explain why he got a backwater outpost like DS9 whereas a Captain would probably be given at least his own ship (Lt Cmdrs and Commanders do command their own vessels, just not big Battleships or the like). Of course B5 fans will state their reasoning as to why he was a Commander...
Sisko was still grieving at the time of Emissary and blamed Picard (as Locutus) for the loss of his wife, so a deep anger towards him when they met was perfectly understandable. Sisko probably did want to assault Picard, but that wasn't going to happen as long as they both wore the uniform...
But as far as why they really started him out as a commander, IIRC, I thought it was because TPTB simply thought casual audiences might be confused if Sisko was a captain and didn't have a ship...
But as far as why they really started him out as a commander, IIRC, I thought it was because TPTB simply thought casual audiences might be confused if Sisko was a captain and didn't have a ship...
Indeed it wasn't. OTOH, if we go implicit, we could argue that Kirk was a mere Commander in the TOS pilot - just look at his rank braid...
I'm a bit disappointed that Sisko became a Captain that fast. It was fun seeing him play the underdog to two-bit villains, operate substandard hardware, be limited in his options... The total opposite of Picard, who vastly overpowered all his enemies (save the Borg) and had to exercise steel nerves and tungsten will to rein himself in and not smite the annoyance of the week.
Timo Saloniemi
I'm a bit disappointed that Sisko became a Captain that fast. It was fun seeing him play the underdog to two-bit villains, operate substandard hardware, be limited in his options... The total opposite of Picard, who vastly overpowered all his enemies (save the Borg) and had to exercise steel nerves and tungsten will to rein himself in and not smite the annoyance of the week.
Timo Saloniemi
There's always Rear Admiral, Lower Half...which is basically the same thing as Commodore..
I'd have liked to have seen a Rear Admiral Sisko.
They made Janeway a damn vice admiral, and all she did was get a ship home from a distant part of the sky. Might as well have made Picard a vice admiral in season 1 of TNG.
Sisko, by contrast, ran what was effectively a starbase for six years and helped organize major fleet actions as Admiral Ross' right hand. Who has more experience doing admiral's work?
They made Janeway a damn vice admiral, and all she did was get a ship home from a distant part of the sky. Might as well have made Picard a vice admiral in season 1 of TNG.
Sisko, by contrast, ran what was effectively a starbase for six years and helped organize major fleet actions as Admiral Ross' right hand. Who has more experience doing admiral's work?
There's nothing to suggest that the Commodore rank even exists in TNG era. Odds are it goes from captain straight to 'one pip' admiral (Rear Admiral, Lower Half)
Well, we saw Commodores in TOS and that was after they had abandoned the Commodore rank in real life. Just because we never saw a Commodore in TNG+ doesn't mean they discontinued the rank, it just means we never saw them.
Besides, I think Commodore is a more impressive name than "Lower Rear"...
And then there's the Fleet Captain ranking thing, did they ever explain just what THAT rank signified?
Besides, I think Commodore is a more impressive name than "Lower Rear"...
And then there's the Fleet Captain ranking thing, did they ever explain just what THAT rank signified?
STAR Trek Ranks are based on US Navy which got rid of the rank of Commodore which they called Commodore-Admiral in 1985 IIRC
Since then its been:
Admiral
Vice Admiral
Rear Admiral UH [Upper Half]
Rear Admiral LH [Lower Half]
That is why Commodores are ONLY in TOS
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...And the Production team seemed to forget about the one PIP Admirals as well
What I was getting at was they hardly used the Rank
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