Rank insignia SPOILER ALERT!!

[data65]

I'm not sure if this qualifies as a spoiler but I just wanted to make sure that if somebody didn't wanna know, they would be forwarned.
After seeing the trailer I noticed Kirks sleeve in the only scene which shows him in a gold shirt. After then going back and looking at the pics of Spock and Bones, I noticed that the rank is just like TOS except that the braids are just strait lines, and instead of the "dashes" or broken lines of lets say Bones or Scotty, the broken line has been replaced by a line that is thinner than the other two. Like this for example in kirks case .

Original:

Movie:

Or am I seeing things?

 

[Nostromo]

Of course the rank insignias, including Captain, changed between Where No Man Has Gone Before and the regular TOS series anyway, so arguably the movie should have only two stripes. Seems like the film could be a compromise betwen the pilot and regular series rank insignias. If we're being nit-picky. ;-)

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_ranks#Line_officer_ranks

 

[KevasTrader]

It's been obvious from all of the photos that we've seen that the rank insignia were just plain stripes, we just hadn't seen the Captain's rank yet.

I like the Starfleet badges with the symbols cut out so the shirt fabric shows through.

Looking forward to the online release of the trailer!! Have seen some on a dodgy YouTube video ... looks 'interesting'.

 

[RoJoHen]

I think it's funny that there are people out there who will really consider this a spoiler and will get pissed if they see it before the movie comes out.

Peoples is crazy.

 

[ROBE]

Unclear if this is a captain or Lt Commander. Unclear yet if the movie is following TOS or modern US Navy rank insignia. Remember "captain" is both a position and a rank.

 

[Timo]

Indeed. Which is why the following might be disputed:

Of course the rank insignias, including Captain, changed between Where No Man Has Gone Before and the regular TOS series anyway, so arguably the movie should have only two stripes.

Or then Kirk in "Where No Man" was a Commander by rank, in which case the two stripes there were fully in line with the later episodes.

We don't yet know if these neo-TOS movies will start to overlap with actual TOS episodes, and if so, in what manner. Will they retell certain stories? Fall in between the known stories? There might be room for Kirk's "Where No Man" adventure somewhere between the various scenes of STXI, for example.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Neumann]

I don't know, the more I see this movie the more complicated it becomes for Kirk to be captain at the end of it! Has anyone checked Pikes sleeve?

 

[Timo]

(We have a picture of Pike now?)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Franklin]

I've been harping on this for a while. Abrams stayed more true to the uniforms than probably anything we've seen so far. So why would the rank insignia follow the final TOS patterns but mean different things in his movie? Wouldn't make sense, would it? Sulu has one thick stripe. McCoy has two, one narrow, one thick. Spock has two thick ones.

And, I could swear I saw a captain's stripes pattern on Kirk's sleeve in that very brief glimpse of him in command gold in the trailer.

 

[J.T.B.]

Or then Kirk in "Where No Man" was a Commander by rank, in which case the two stripes there were fully in line with the later episodes.

I have to harp on this every time you bring it up, Timo, but once again you are ignoring the evidence from the episode. Lieutenant commander (Mitchell) and lieutenant (Kelso) wear the same rank insignia, so the WNMHGB rank system is clearly not the same as the system in the regular-run episodes.

--Justin

 

[data65]

You did see captains rank. I broke down the trailer into individual bitmaps and there you see it clearly. Two thick bands, one thin. On this 2nd pilot rank thing. I've never thought of that as canon. I think that was shot before all of this stuff was established and I honestly think that little details from the first two pilots should be dismissed. Don't dismiss the words and actions, just the little uniform stuff and nitpicky stuff. And one more thing....
....On the subject of Robert April. I agree it would have been cool to see him or for him to even be acknowleged, (btw who says he won't be) but he was really only a glint in Gene's eye, nothing more. He was never solidly laid down in canon...only in Star Trek mythos . I mean c'mon, how far is J.J. expected to go with this? BTW I've seen some interviews with the writers that have suggested that they even considered some Animated series stuff, so I'd say these guys are ok in my book!

Oh and before anybody says anything..yes I know April was in the animated series..I said some of the animated series was considered..not that the whole thing was canon.

 

[Sector 7]

^There you go... being all logical and stuff! The fanboys don't want logic, only revenge.
I'm holding out for Monday's authentic trailer in HD 1080p... I'd only be disappointed with the low-brow bootleg stuff anyway.

 

[data65]

C,mon Sector seven! Everytime I see that picture of Spock in the sombraro I break down in a fit of laughter. Please put sunglasses on him or something! That's Awesome!

On the subject of logic...logic would dictate that every rank had its own seperate insignia, not that they share the same one and then the mighty captain gets two. "Hi I'm Captain Kirk and no matter how hard you work ,nobody will ever know because you will always only have one thingy around your arm and I've got two! Oh did I mention I have two thingys around my arm? I do you know! Now go scrub the plasma exhaust or something you "one arm thingy trogladite!"."

 

[Sector 7]

C,mon Sector seven! Everytime I see that picture of Spock in the sombraro I break down in a fit of laughter. Please put sunglasses on him or something! That's Awesome!

Mock thee not the Holy Headwear, lest bad karma happen to thee! All hail The Sombrero!

 

[ROBE]

Until we have seen more rank insignia like Pike's it will be unclear in kirk is wearing the insignia of a captain or Lt Commander who holds the position of captain.
Okay from memory the rank insignia for TOS was:
THE CAGE: All officers have one solid gold stripe and Senior ratings have one gold stripe with rectangles cut into it.
WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE: All officers have one solid gold stripe, the captain has two solid gold stripes and Senior ratings have sod all.
TOS (all the other episodes):All ratings and ensigns sod all, Lt (JG) one broken gold stripe, Lt one full gold stripe, Lt Commander, one broken and one full gold stripe, commander two full gold stripes, captain two full gold stripes and one broken gold stripe, fleet captain never shown, possibly three full gold stripes?, commodore one thick full gold stripe. Admirals ranks never shown.

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE
Ensigns were given one broken gold stripe and Lt (JG) seem to have vanished. Senior ratings were given triangle and hollow square insignia.

Other movies completely changed the insignia.

 

[cultcross]

On this 2nd pilot rank thing. I've never thought of that as canon. I think that was shot before all of this stuff was established and I honestly think that little details from the first two pilots should be dismissed. Don't dismiss the words and actions, just the little uniform stuff and nitpicky stuff.

Thank you. I've been saying this since this all started - this movie is a prequel to the series we actually got, not the failed pilot, and not the strange not-quite-settled things in WNMHGB. So what if things are different to the pilots? That's not the iconic Trek that has made history, the established Trek of the series proper, with Uhura in red, meaningful sleeve braids for rank and no silly gooseneck viewers. That's what this is a prequel too, not a single episode only the fans noticed was different anyway.

 

[Basil]

But The Cage was folded into the series that we actually got, and there's nothing about "Where No Man Has Gone Before" except the "R" on the tombstone that makes it unable to fit into the series or the visual "history" established by "The Menagerie, Parts I and II."

 

[sbk1234]

Is it possible that the rank shown of Kirk in the trailer is actually a cadet rank of some sort? Just asking. Please don't hurt me.

 

[Chaos Descending]

^^^ If he is a cadet then Pike should be lined up and shot for putting him in command in lieu of one of his own commissioned officers.

 

[Stag]

I've been harping on this for a while. Abrams stayed more true to the uniforms than probably anything we've seen so far. So why would the rank insignia follow the final TOS patterns but mean different things in his movie? Wouldn't make sense, would it? Sulu has one thick stripe. McCoy has two, one narrow, one thick. Spock has two thick ones.

And, I could swear I saw a captain's stripes pattern on Kirk's sleeve in that very brief glimpse of him in command gold in the trailer.

You did. Kirk has two thick bands with a narrow one in between.

Why is it so difficult for some people to take the leap that instead of a broken solid line, JJ simply made it a thin stripe.

And I agree with your point as to why would JJ change the ranking system so much on the uniforms. He has remained more faithful to the uniform design then anything else we have seen so far.