Quinto's Spock May Be Different

[M'Sharak]

..maybe something happens that shocks him back to being a real cold ass vulcan..

Andorian Ice Powers?

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I was already expecting Quinto's portrayal of Spock to be different considering his playing a much younger version of him.

Agreed Admiral...Spock IS different in THE CAGE. To play him as the cold distant spock would be wrong. Maybe, in fact, they will disclose why he did become such a distant person..maybe something happens that shocks him back to being a real cold ass vulcan..

Rob
Scorpio

I'm actually hoping they ignore the Spock we saw in The Cage/The Menagerie (sorry Temis -- no "Shouty Spock" -- besides, that sounds like a Smurf name).

I see Spock's characterization in The Cage as an abberration, or as "a work in progress". Remember, Spock was on TV for 20 years and an icon for over 15 years before anyone ever publicly saw The Cage. Granted, people DID see emotional Spock in The Menagerie as part of TOS, but since that footage was from the pilot, I'm just as happy to ignore Spock's emotional outbursts.

It is very common in TV to change things between a pilot and a show's production run. Sometimes characters' names change without any explanation, or a diferent actor plays an established character. And especially considering that The Cage was an unaired pilot, and the real pilot is WNMHGB, I am more inclined to see the Spock in WNMHGB as the real one.

...although I can see Quinto standing in front of a mirror, practicing the various manners in which he could deliver his big line: "THE WOMEN !!"

 

[RobertScorpio]

I was already expecting Quinto's portrayal of Spock to be different considering his playing a much younger version of him.

Agreed Admiral...Spock IS different in THE CAGE. To play him as the cold distant spock would be wrong. Maybe, in fact, they will disclose why he did become such a distant person..maybe something happens that shocks him back to being a real cold ass vulcan..

Rob
Scorpio

I'm actually hoping they ignore the Spock we saw in The Cage/The Menagerie (sorry Temis -- no "Shouty Spock" -- besides, that sounds like a Smurf name).

I see Spock's characterization in The Cage as an abberration, or as "a work in progress". Remember, Spock was on TV for 20 years and an icon for over 15 years before anyone ever publicly saw The Cage. Granted, people DID see emotional Spock in The Menagerie as part of TOS, but since that footage was from the pilot, I'm just as happy to ignore Spock's emotional outbursts.

It is very common in TV to change things between a pilot and a show's production run. Sometimes characters' names change without any explanation, or a diferent actor plays an established character. And especially considering that The Cage was an unaired pilot, and the real pilot is WNMHGB, I am more inclined to see the Spock in WNMHGB as the real one.

...although I can see Quinto standing in front of a mirror, practicing the various manners in which he could deliver his big line: "THE WOMEN !!"

I don't know..I like drama. I think a well written scifi show with drama, DARK KNIGHT comes to mind, is far better than just a phaser firing action fest. And if they can come up with something to show why spock changed from what he was in CAGE to how we saw him in Cobormite or Where No Man Has Gone Before, then I'm on board...

Its all in the writing..we shall see though...its gonna be a long wait don't you agree??

Rob
scorpio

 

[maryh]

I don't know..I like drama. I think a well written scifi show with drama, DARK KNIGHT comes to mind, is far better than just a phaser firing action fest. And if they can come up with something to show why spock changed from what he was in CAGE to how we saw him in Cobormite or Where No Man Has Gone Before, then I'm on board...

Its all in the writing..we shall see though...its gonna be a long wait don't you agree??

Rob
scorpio

I hope not. I can't reconcile a smiley Spock emoting freely ever. Blows the mind. At the time of The Cage, his personality just wasn't scripted to be like it was in the next pilot. Number One has the emotionless personality in The Cage but it was transferred to Spock for the second pilot. I don't think anyone needs to explain the emotions Spock showed in the failed pilot.

 

[Kryton]

I am more of the opinion, I suppose, that Number One was kind of pathetically emotional, yet emotionally repressed. Her reaction to "I can't get used to a woman on the bridge" kind of gave that impression to me.

 

[gastrof]

I was already expecting Quinto's portrayal of Spock to be different considering his playing a much younger version of him.

Agreed Admiral...Spock IS different in THE CAGE. To play him as the cold distant spock would be wrong. Maybe, in fact, they will disclose why he did become such a distant person..maybe something happens that shocks him back to being a real cold ass vulcan..

Rob
Scorpio

I've wondered if he somehow ended up blaming himself for everything that happened on Talos IV. "I could see the negative possibilities, and yet didn't warn them well enough. Even tried to get the ship out of there far too late. I should have acted sooner. My father was right. The Vulcan way, stress the intellect and supress emotion...otherwise you get into trouble."

I've also thought something similar happened to Saavik between II and III. Spock was gone, and she'd have to be extra hard on herself and go "full tilt Vulcan" if she was going to make it. (Also, having to explain to Engineering why, in the novelization, she tore a computer display out of a table and smashed it, sinking it into a wall when Preston died...maybe that suggested emotion wasn't such a good thing.)

 

[gastrof]

...Number One has the emotionless personality in The Cage but it was transferred to Spock for the second pilot. I don't think anyone needs to explain the emotions Spock showed in the failed pilot.

You do when THE MENAGERIE made all events in The Cage canon, as did it finally being included in the series run once it was all in color.

Let's face it, in canon/onscreen Trek, Spock is shown displaying emotion in The Cage. He later changed.

 

[star]

...Number One has the emotionless personality in The Cage but it was transferred to Spock for the second pilot. I don't think anyone needs to explain the emotions Spock showed in the failed pilot.

You do when THE MENAGERIE made all events in The Cage canon, as did it finally being included in the series run once it was all in color.

Let's face it, in canon/onscreen Trek, Spock is shown displaying emotion in The Cage. He later changed.

Yeah, I watched that one again last night (or should I say those two episodes?). But I'm going to be honest... The Cage may be canon thanks to The Menagerie... but I don't really want to see the Spock from The Cage. It seems obvious to me that it was the best idea to revamp the show's original pilot and recast many of the characters. (Come to think of it, the only one they kept was Spock). Spock was over-the-top and really the only thing "alien" about him was the ears and the upswept (bushy) eyebrows. The character lacked the depth that he had in TOS.

The use of The Cage in The Menagerie was, I feel, more about moving forward with an interesting character-driven story than putting the unaired original pilot into "canon". Spock's loyalty to Pike-- His "logical" decision that Pike would be better off on Talos IV considering his condition. Answering the question whether or not illusion is all bad or can it serve a purpose.

This goes back to the other thread about continuity. I have no problem if JJ Abrams ignores The Cage altogether -- despite it being canonized. (Gee, I remember the days when I thought of that term only relating to religion -- oh how tbbs has changed me!)

Ugh. I got all serious and stuff.

**returns happily to Sombrero-verse to have fun waiting for the movie**

 

[Peacemaker]

Quinto is raping my childhood!

Oh God, I've been raped...by Zachary Quinto!

 

[Rarewolf]

[I hope not. I can't reconcile a smiley Spock emoting freely ever. Blows the mind. At the time of The Cage, his personality just wasn't scripted to be like it was in the next pilot. Number One has the emotionless personality in The Cage but it was transferred to Spock for the second pilot.

I've always acredited that to their Mindmeld the week before the Cage, in the episode we didn't see

 

[blaXXer]

Quinto is raping my childhood!

Oh God, I've been raped...by Zachary Quinto!

Be glad he didn't eat your brrraiiiinsss...