Quinto's Spock is too emotional

[FarStrider]

So I guess screaming and beating someone down in a violent rage as a child doesn't count?

Since that incident and others like it were mentioned in TOS (Journey to Babel) and in TAS (Tomorrow is Yesterday), it was canon before we saw it on the big screen in 2009.

Though, I'll concede, though not going berserk, marooning a prisoner on a dangerous planet is a bit much too. Even if you didn't have a brig for some reason, though the next movie showed they did.

Since Kirk in TOS marooned not only Gary Mitchell in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", but Marla Mitchell, also in "Spaceseed" it was established that the Captain of the ship has wide latitude in how he deals with mutineers. Treatment of prisoners was obviously left up to the Captain's discretion.

But to your question. Fine. The biggest flaw of the TNG cast is they were too sterilized, too perfect with too little conflict among themselves. Still enjoyed them more than TOS and Data, the most obvious equivalent was way more interesting to me. ENT... well I've written entire essays over on the ENT forum as to how screwed up this group is. So Spock will beat out T'Pol, but that's no great statement. VOY... whatever other flaws the series had, the crew being boring(with the exception of Kim anyways) wasn't one of them. Seven and the Doctor would be his equivalent and both were easily the two best characters in the series.

So yes, I think Spock is simply overrated. That doesn't mean I think he was bad or anything, just jazzed up beyond belief. But like what you want. Certainly I'd hate to commit heresy against the religion of Trek, even if I never converted. Though I guess as a religion Trek would be as flawed and inconsistent as the rest of them, so it's in good company.

So basically you admit that you are not as fond of TOS as you are of other Treks. . . is it any wonder that the flaws in a series of movies that hark back to TOS (not the original series movies, but the original series itself) would be more pronounced to you?

Personally, I love Quinto's Spock. Quinto does more emoting with his eyes than most actors do with their whole bodies. Even when he is perfectly still, you can see an inner life to his Spock.


~FS

 

[M'Sharak]

It's shocking but I'm thinking that R.Star doesn't deserve Star Trek after his terrible words.

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I do love the assumptions that if I don't agree with the majority I simply don't deserve it, get it or what not.

That was a joke, not an assumption.

Also: You can drop the worn-out "if I don't agree with the majority" shtick any time. Your opinion is your opinion. So own it, and stop trying to guilt-trip others for holding opinions of their own - that just looks whiny and sort of pathetic.

 

[BigJake]

I do love the assumptions that if I don't agree with the majority I simply don't deserve it, get it or what not.

People do occasionally make tongue-in-cheek remarks, I'm told. Though it is... highly illogical.

 

[sonak]

Nimoy's Spock is better, but then he had a LOT more screentime in which to develop the character.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Yes it was a tongue in cheek joke poking not just at you R. Star but at the hyperbole that accompanies Trek loves. Of which I happily participate in myself.

 

[Timewalker]

It's shocking but I'm thinking that R.Star doesn't deserve Star Trek after his terrible words.

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I do love the assumptions that if I don't agree with the majority I simply don't deserve it, get it or what not.

That was a joke, not an assumption.

Also: You can drop the worn-out "if I don't agree with the majority" shtick any time. Your opinion is your opinion. So own it, and stop trying to guilt-trip others for holding opinions of their own - that just looks whiny and sort of pathetic.

It would be really nice if the "majority opinion" people would stop trying to guilt-trip those holding the "unpopular opinion" for holding those opinions, too.

Nobody likes feeling ganged up on, no matter which opinion they hold.

 

[R. Star]

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I do love the assumptions that if I don't agree with the majority I simply don't deserve it, get it or what not.

That was a joke, not an assumption.

Also: You can drop the worn-out "if I don't agree with the majority" shtick any time. Your opinion is your opinion. So own it, and stop trying to guilt-trip others for holding opinions of their own - that just looks whiny and sort of pathetic.

It would be really nice if the "majority opinion" people would stop trying to guilt-trip those holding the "unpopular opinion" for holding those opinions, too.

Nobody likes feeling ganged up on, no matter which opinion they hold.

Thank you. Though there is a certain amount of irony of a post claiming one should "own opinions" and stop "guilt tripping people" while simultaneously calling one "whiny and pathetic" for expressing an opinion they don't like and implying they shouldn't.. almost like guilt tripping.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

If you took me seriously R. Star then.. well I really don't know what to say. I would think you'd have interacted with me enough on other forums to know otherwise.

 

[R. Star]

If you took me seriously R. Star then.. well I really don't know what to say. I would think you'd have interacted with me enough on other forums to know otherwise.

Definitely do!

Though it would seem others are taking a comment I made... full with a emoticon, known for it's stern countenance, seriously.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Okay cool!

 

[M'Sharak]

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I do love the assumptions that if I don't agree with the majority I simply don't deserve it, get it or what not.

That was a joke, not an assumption.

Also: You can drop the worn-out "if I don't agree with the majority" shtick any time. Your opinion is your opinion. So own it, and stop trying to guilt-trip others for holding opinions of their own - that just looks whiny and sort of pathetic.

It would be really nice if the "majority opinion" people would stop trying to guilt-trip those holding the "unpopular opinion" for holding those opinions, too.

Nobody likes feeling ganged up on, no matter which opinion they hold.

Uh-uh. This isn't an MA thread, and you should know better.

That was a joke, not an assumption.

Also: You can drop the worn-out "if I don't agree with the majority" shtick any time. Your opinion is your opinion. So own it, and stop trying to guilt-trip others for holding opinions of their own - that just looks whiny and sort of pathetic.

It would be really nice if the "majority opinion" people would stop trying to guilt-trip those holding the "unpopular opinion" for holding those opinions, too.

Nobody likes feeling ganged up on, no matter which opinion they hold.

Thank you. Though there is a certain amount of irony of a post claiming one should "own opinions" and stop "guilt tripping people" while simultaneously calling one "whiny and pathetic" for expressing an opinion they don't like and implying they shouldn't.. almost like guilt tripping.

Balderdash. It was not your opinion which was being thus described, but your four-year habit of moaning in forums all over the board that you've been persecuted for your opinions, which is patent nonsense.

The worst thing which has happened (beyond having those opinions subjected to criticism) is that you've been asked on at least a couple of occasions to refrain from baiting other posters and you received one warning for having persisted in such baiting after having previously been asked to stop. You've got no grounds whatsoever for complaint concerning the fairness of your treatment in this forum at any time; if anything, you've gotten a great deal of slack.

You know perfectly well what you were doing here and you know perfectly well why you were called on it, just as you've been called on it before, and there'll likely be a trolling warning in it for you if I see it again. Now go forth and behave yourself.

 

[Commishsleer]

Personally, I love Quinto's Spock. Quinto does more emoting with his eyes than most actors do with their whole bodies. Even when he is perfectly still, you can see an inner life to his Spock.

I haven't noticed. I'll have to rewatch the movies looking out for that. I must have been overwhelmed by the whole spectacular.

Maybe Quinto will become my favourite Spock

 

[Timewalker]

That was a joke, not an assumption.

Also: You can drop the worn-out "if I don't agree with the majority" shtick any time. Your opinion is your opinion. So own it, and stop trying to guilt-trip others for holding opinions of their own - that just looks whiny and sort of pathetic.

It would be really nice if the "majority opinion" people would stop trying to guilt-trip those holding the "unpopular opinion" for holding those opinions, too.

Nobody likes feeling ganged up on, no matter which opinion they hold.

Uh-uh. This isn't an MA thread, and you should know better.

Last time I looked, teacake was not a moderator, nor are the other regular members who tend to engage in the "let's gang up on the poster with the unpopular opinion" mentality. If there is a "thou shalt not quote any moderators" rule, please link me to it, as I don't recall ever seeing any such rule.

 

[M'Sharak]

It would be really nice if the "majority opinion" people would stop trying to guilt-trip those holding the "unpopular opinion" for holding those opinions, too.

Nobody likes feeling ganged up on, no matter which opinion they hold.

Uh-uh. This isn't an MA thread, and you should know better.

Last time I looked, teacake was not a moderator, nor are the other regular members who tend to engage in the "let's gang up on the poster with the unpopular opinion" mentality. If there is a "thou shalt not quote any moderators" rule, please link me to it, as I don't recall ever seeing any such rule.

After having once been reminded that this was not an MA thread, you now have a warning for continuing to try to make it one. (As you've already sent me a PM which makes it clear that discussion remains futile, we'll just skip the further comment part. You may take that up with an Admin, if you wish to pursue it.)

Thread closed, since it's now broken.