Quinto: Reimagining, not re-creation, is fearlessly creative

[Basil]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

Matt said:
On the subject of Kirk, what could Shatner offer the film?

Nimoy is a sage-like figure. I can see him as "Old dying Spock" smiling and telling a story about his youth easier than I see Shatner reprising his role that he last played correctly in "Turnabout Intruder." Look at Nimoy through the movies. He IS Spock. Shatner, on the other hand, only seemed like Kirk a few times.

1. When he wasn't being a total jerk to everyone during TMP.
2. Star Trek V (Face it, although it's a bad movie, Kirk is pretty much like TOS Kirk during the whole thing.)
3. Parts of Star Trek VI.
4. The edited out orbital sky diving scene in Star Trek VII.

I mean seriously... Compare one of the defining lines of Star Trek:

"Risk... Risk is our business. That's what this starship is all about. That's why we're aboard her!"

to

"First, move us within transporter range and beam those people to the Enterprise. Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair. And second, turn that damned thing off."

Ugh.

It'd be nearly impossible for Shatner to recapture what he did during TOS. Nimoy, on the other hand, really is Spock.

Shatner could bring as much to the film as Nimoy, if not more. If a person is a fan of him or Kirk or both, they'll likely be pleased to see him in the role he made famous one more time. I like Nimoy as Spock, though I don't find him or the character as appealing as Kirk -- part of the reason Nimoy is so good in the role is that it suits his dry, deadpan persona and rather limited range as an actor.

I've seen him in everything from Mission: Impossible to Marco Polo to the TV remake of I, Robot, and frankly he is anywhere from terrible to mediocre. But as Spock he is as much a match as George Reeves to Superman or Sean Connery to James Bond. It's not the writing for the character or even the makeup -- he was born to play the one and only role he is truly good at. Put another way, I know someone who walked out of his stage performance as Tevye in Fiddler on the Roof. And as I try to imagine Nimoy in the part, I can't find myself blaming her. But I'd sit through Nimoy as Spock, even if all he did was order a Happy Meal. I'd definitely see the film if Shatner was in it.

 

[Darth_Daver]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

GreenBlood said:

ancient said:
He got fat because he hates the fans.

At first glance, this read, "...because he ate the fans."

sorry, still laughing...

 

[arwag]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

This movie is cursed, so says the wizard.
Send in scooby doo to eat the candy and drink the juice
Once again, cursed I say to you
Actually, I am lookining forward to it, in a thunderbirds sort of way

 

[PowderedToastMan]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

I really thought that the fan community had moved on from the rather tired reboot v canon debate long ago. This notion is a false dichotomy and I think most Trek fans realise it. Only a tiny fraction believe that the film will or should fall on the extremes of this debate. It is a new group of people broadening the audience for an old franchise. Some things will be different, especially visually, but the big things should be consistent. Even visually it will still be very recognizable as Trek...and it isn't as if Trek didn't change its production design on a regular basis before (for example: how many different uniforms did the TOS crew have over their lifespan already?)

More importantly, the notion that adherence to the so called canon is by far not the determining factor of quality for a film. It seems to be a bit obsessive to view the film through this 'what is different' prism. I fear anyone who does so will miss the forest and certainly lose out on just sitting back and potentially enjoying the film.

 

[roliver]

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snowman1701 said:
Why is whether or not it's a reboot/ reimagining/ etc so important?

Because if this movie is not in the same continuity as the rest of Trek then it is just a standalone product with no real connection with the Trek we've been watching for decades.

Battlestar Galactica was different, as the original series lasted only one year. The new incarnation has long passed that mark and made a name for itself.

I'm not sure why I'd care to see a complete reworking of the Trek universe for just two hours.

 

[Matt]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

ancient said:

snowman1701 said:
Okay, here's a question for everyone:

Why is whether or not it's a reboot/ reimagining/ etc so important?

Because some people have tied up their self worth in which it will be, so they can proclaim themselves the coolest nerd ever if they turn out to be right.

Of course, everyone hates dumb-asses that do that, but I guess there's an award for biggest loser too, and some people want it very badly.

And by not naming names, you avoid moderation warnings. "Someone" apparently is not only a loser, but also "someone" is a coward.

 

[ancient]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

I find it funny you felt the need to reply to that.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

roliver said:
Because if this movie is not in the same continuity as the rest of Trek then it is just a standalone product with no real connection with the Trek we've been watching for decades.

I don't see that as a problem of any kind.

I'm not sure why I'd care to see a complete reworking of the Trek universe for just two hours.

I'll watch it if it's good - because the core entertainment values of "Star Trek" have become so attenuated over the decades that not enough people are willing to watch it at all to keep it alive.

 

[James Bond]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

Matt said:

ancient said:

snowman1701 said:
Okay, here's a question for everyone:

Why is whether or not it's a reboot/ reimagining/ etc so important?

Because some people have tied up their self worth in which it will be, so they can proclaim themselves the coolest nerd ever if they turn out to be right.

Of course, everyone hates dumb-asses that do that, but I guess there's an award for biggest loser too, and some people want it very badly.

And by not naming names, you avoid moderation warnings. "Someone" apparently is not only a loser, but also "someone" is a coward.

Why do you automatically assume he's talking about you? Do you a have a guilty conscience or something?

 

[Matt]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

ancient said:
I find it funny you felt the need to reply to that.

I'll defend the "It's a canonical prequel!" crowd. The insane need compassion, as well.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

Okay, just a concept, but has anyone considered the reason that Star Trek fandom hasn't been growing is because the other people see the Trek fans sitting here bitching at each other and calling their own shows shit? Thus, they want nothing to do with Trek or it's psycho fans? Am I the only one who thinks we're killing Star Trek with the petty whinning and fighting?

 

[James Bond]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

snowman1701 said:
Okay, just a concept, but has anyone considered the reason that Star Trek fandom hasn't been growing is because the other people see the Trek fans sitting here bitching at each other and calling their own shows shit? Thus, they want nothing to do with Trek or it's psycho fans? Am I the only one who thinks we're killing Star Trek with the petty whinning and fighting?

Yep. The trash that's destroying Star Trek and fandom should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Aragorn]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

North Pole-aris said:

Matt said:
I dunno, ask the folks who are posting pics of Quinto/Pine in TOS uniforms on the TOS bridge...

It's fun, and it would be pretty immature of anyone to be troubled by it.

What?!?!? But you know that 99.9% off all Trekdom is troubled by it!

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

roliver said:
Because if this movie is not in the same continuity as the rest of Trek then it is just a standalone product with no real connection with the Trek we've been watching for decades.

Which quality wise, means nothing... basically you're saying it might be good (if theoretically the "rework it") but I'll not watch it cause its not in some arbitrary continuity. That makes no sense. Now mind you so far I am lead to believe it is in the same continuity but to me that matters very very little...

The "decades" of continuity are worthless in and of themselves.

I'm not sure why I'd care to see a complete reworking of the Trek universe for just two hours.

For the same reason you'd go to see any other movie. It might be good, not to mention entertaining. Surely curiosity alone would be a driving factor.

Plus you'd be in on the whole new journey...

And the amount of time old BSG or Trek is was on the air is beside the point if someone came up with a fresh take on either one.

Sharr

 

[Superman]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

GreenBlood said:

ancient said:
He got fat because he hates the fans.

At first glance, this read, "...because he ate the fans."

Hey...I find your avatar painful. Don't you have any respect? I mean, that's my homeworld exploding...dammit, I need therapy now.

Anyway, Troll...er, I mean, Matt.

Knock it off, man. No one gives a shit what you post about your inane assertionst that there's some kind of conspiracy to keep a reboot a secret.

Have a beer and lighten up.

\S/

 

[ancient]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

I believe that Abrams has said repeatedly that it will indeed be in continuity. So that issue is closed anyway. It's possible to do something true to canon & continuity but have he story told in a different way. Changing the actors and set details is a given too though.

I'm sure some people will cry bloody murder over the details, which is their right. Others will cry if they don't change things, which is very strange for a fan. Generally fans don't like people 'fixing' things that were never broken in their eyes. But different strokes.

The fans that sound really whacko are the ones attempting to rub their questionable 'facts' about the nature of the movie into their fellow fan's nose in some gloating attempt to generate a bad reaction. That's just plain loony.

 

[Tamek]

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Ya know...I was just looking for a thread to come into where someone could post insults against the people involved in the movie and then insult people who disagree with him...

made my day...

 

[Kegek]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

I think if this film is not a re-creation, but rather a re-imagining, a re-vitalisation, a re-energisation, a re-boot, a re-invention, a re-newal, a re-formation, a re-demption, indeed a re-naissance, I will be disappointed.

Incidentally; to hell with buzzwords and jargon. It's becoming re-diculous.

Now seriously, what's my angle? I want a good movie. The rest is incidental.

However, the urge to use euphemisms in describing the film's ambiguous continuity is a tad irksome.

 

[number6]

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snowman1701 said: Am I the only one who thinks we're killing Star Trek with the petty whinning and fighting?

No. I have been saying that for years.

Star Trek's biggest obstacle in moving forward has always been its "fans."

 

[Matt]

Re: Quinto: Reimagining, not recreation, is fearlessly creat

Superman said:

GreenBlood said:

ancient said:
He got fat because he hates the fans.

At first glance, this read, "...because he ate the fans."

Hey...I find your avatar painful. Don't you have any respect? I mean, that's my homeworld exploding...dammit, I need therapy now.

Anyway, Troll...er, I mean, Matt.

Knock it off, man. No one gives a shit what you post about your inane assertionst that there's some kind of conspiracy to keep a reboot a secret.

Have a beer and lighten up.

\S/

Reported. Lets see how democratic and fair the moderators are here. If they're legit, you'll get a warning for that.