Quick canon question re: TOS Kirk's Dad

[jezor]

Given that canon is what's on screen, and that might include dialogue, does Old Spock's statement that Kirk's father survived to see his son take command of the Enterprise mean that this fact is now part of canon history? Was it ever before? {ProfJonathan}

 

[Therin of Andor]

Given that canon is what's on screen, and that might include dialogue, does Old Spock's statement that Kirk's father survived to see his son take command of the Enterprise mean that this fact is now part of canon history?

Why not?

Was it ever before?

We never knew about Kirk Sr from TOS. Only that Kirk's older brother was named George Samuel Kirk, and Jim used to call him "Sam". It was the novels which decided that Dad was George Samuel Kirk Sr.

 

[DarthPipes]

Right. Kirk's parents were never mentioned or spoken about in another TOS. In the old Star Trek's writers guide, written after the second season of Star Trek, it is mentioned that Kirk's father is dead but that his mother is still alive.

Kirk's brother was first mentioned in "What are Little Girls Made of?" and appeared as a corpse later on in Operations Annihilate.

 

[TrekLost]

I think I remember somewhere that Kurtzman and Orci sort of integrated the background of George Samuel Kirk from the Novels into the movie.

 

[superdeluxe]

Given that canon is what's on screen, and that might include dialogue, does Old Spock's statement that Kirk's father survived to see his son take command of the Enterprise mean that this fact is now part of canon history? Was it ever before? {ProfJonathan}

Yes in the prime timeline (Original timeline). Kirk's father saw him graduate.

Not sure if that was ever addressed in the original series.

 

[Sabataage]

What I love about that opening scene with the USS Kelvin is that it suggests that before the change in the timeline Kirk's mom and dad had uneventful careers in starfleet, eventually retiring to Iowa and raising Jim and his brother in relative peace before he passed away. It took the tragedy of the Kelvin to demonstrate just how awesome his dad was. It made the guy a legend, while robbing Kirk of a father.

 

[TrekGuide.com]

In "The Conscience of the King," it was established that Kirk grew up on Tarsus Four.

Maybe that's where the Kelvin was heading when it diverted to investigate the black hole.

 

[Zeppster]

In "The Conscience of the King," it was established that Kirk grew up on Tarsus Four.

Maybe that's where the Kelvin was heading when it diverted to investigate the black hole.

No it just said he was there for a time. Maybe his father had an assignment there or something. It's never explained any further.

 

[SalvorHardin]

In "The Conscience of the King," it was established that Kirk grew up on Tarsus Four.

Maybe that's where the Kelvin was heading when it diverted to investigate the black hole.

From Trekmovie, Orci says :

In the novelization, Spock Prime says to Kirk, in the ice cave on Delta Wherever, that the Kirk he knew was born *on a farm in Iowa*
Kirk/Pine counters that *he* was born on a spaceship.
You’re doing or ADF’s??
If it’s you, then does this mean that the timeline was different PRIOR to the arrival of the Nerada??
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Orci: This came form one of our early drafts. No, it doesn’t mean things were different, it means that things changed at the moment of his birth. If not for the attack from the Narada, the Kelvin would’ve reached earth and Kirk would’ve been born in Iowa. The attack made Winona Kirk go into labor early.