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Questions "Duet"

TerokNor

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I just rewatched "Duet" and even I really really like that episode it brought up some questions.

First of all, it is said that Maritza is taking medication, some because of his age.
Ok...but on the picture from Galitep with Maritza and Gul Da´Heel (not excatly sure how hes written)... we see Maritza as a very young man and the Gul is looking not that much different to how we see Maritza looking as Da´Heel in the cell. Not that much older as on the picture. However when Maritza is taking medication because of his age...and in the picture he is young...than decades must be between the picture and the present. But then Da´Heel would have not looked like Mariza make himself looking, but way older. And when there would not have been so much time inbetween, lets say between 6 and 10 years, as we know Da´Heel died 6 years ago... than maritza must still be middle aged and not old..so why should he take medication because of his age. Or was that only put in his mdeical record for show as well, that people would think him as Da´Heel?

Secondly, he says he would liked to have avoided military service at all.... so as he could not...would that mean that all cardassian males might have to serve for some time in the military (after a basic training maybe)? And then could either go on to the Military Academy for doing Military as a career or go to some other Academy when they dont want the Military as the Career?
Like Gehemor said he was 18 on Bajor, that would be young to be all ready done with school and the Military Academy? I mean when we have finsihed school we are around 18 and then start with University. As the education system, even when they start all ready at 4, is said to be so good I would doubt thed be done with general schol so early that at 18 one could all ready be done with the Military Academy as well. So you think all males have to serve the Military for a year or 2 or 3.... much like it is here, that at one point in life the Military gets to look over all the boys (unless you have at least 2 older brothers who served, than the third boy has not to be looked over)... and when you are sitable you have to serve? Well of course here its so you also can say from the begining you dont want too, but then you have to serve for a year in some social service. Doubt that would be a possibility for Cardassians, with that few freedoms they have.

And than I wondered, if Maritza would not have been murdered at the end... and would have gone back into cardassian space.... would he not be seen as a traitor and executed there? I mean he tried to bring Cardasia to accept its guilt...and Dukat, as he spoke with Odo, knew of the happenings.

Oh and somethin else, not from Duet, but I dont wanna open a new tread for that...Natima has that spoon shape thing also on her upper part of her body has she not? Cause the lady Damar his with in..uhm..Till death do us apart (?) do not has that sppon thing above her breats. Was she not totally Cardasian or was that just forgotten, as its cheaper to just paint her grey and not have such details?

TerokNor
 
Darhe'el may not necessarily look much different than how Marritza made himself look. Depending on how Cardassians age--and whether Darhe'el died at a normal time, or instead prematurely--it may be that he really wouldn't look all that different.

I always imagined that yes, all Cardassian males serve in the military for at least some time, whereas for women it's something they volunteer for.

As for Marritza, yes...I'm afraid they would've put him to death as a traitor for attempting to embarrass the Union (as they would see it). :(

(Oh, and as to your other part? Personally I think the makeup department got forgetful or lazy.)
 
I'd argue that Cardasians age much slower than humans.

...or Bajorans, at least. Look at Dukat in "Wrongs Darker..."
He looks pretty much the same when Nerys was young as he does when she is fully grown.
 
Ah thanks. Hmm, yes, with the aging that might very well be..still... Marritza looked very young in that picture...the picture must have been taken than in the first half of the Occupation, so that he can be old by the time of Duet...and even a cardassian would show a bit aging in 30/40 years? Oh well..*L* but guessnot everything has to be logical in a fictive world.

Military service: Oh than I certainly have to put that in Damars background story as well. It makes also perfect sense to me, that they would have to do that under such a militaristic government.

But...wouldn´t Kira and Co know about that? Wouldn´t they had to give him sanctuary or something and not send him to his death?

I couldn´t find a very good picture...but if you look at that page and scroll down a bit, theres a picture with the text [FONT=arial]"Dukat walks in on Damar and his woman."

http://www.oocities.com/hollywood/location/Location/1394/legate.html

For natima it looked like this:

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=...mage_result&resnum=6&ct=image&ved=0CDEQ9QEwBQ

Oh and one other short question, might be a bit silly, but sometimes we see the black understuff the Cardassians wear under the military stuff not at all at their neckridges and sometimes its very visibel...you think thats supposed to be the "summer- and winter- outfit" so to say?


TerokNor
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I'd argue that Cardasians age much slower than humans.

...or Bajorans, at least. Look at Dukat in "Wrongs Darker..."
He looks pretty much the same when Nerys was young as he does when she is fully grown.

Actually, it's a little more subtle than it would be with humans, but if you get screenshots of older Dukat and younger Dukat from the same episode, and compare them side by side, you can see that young Dukat's makeup does show his youth pretty clearly.

Personally, I put the normal Cardassian lifespan between 150-200 years. (Obviously Tekeny Ghemor is not a benchmark for this number.)

Now, Bajorans may also be longer-lived than humans, but I don't know that we can be sure.
 
Or Bajorans are shorter- lived than humans. They need less time to carry out their children, maybe thats so, because they have less time available to reproduce? Ok, weak argument, but who knows?
How long to Cardassians carry there young? iI read somewhere, though no idea if thats canon, that the time can change between 10 month and ???, depending on how much food is available.
And the Cardassians maybe getting 200, while the Bajorans only getting 100 would maybe make one reason to feel superior towards them.


TerokNor
 
Or Bajorans are shorter- lived than humans. They need less time to carry out their children, maybe thats so, because they have less time available to reproduce? Ok, weak argument, but who knows?
How long to Cardassians carry there young? iI read somewhere, though no idea if thats canon, that the time can change between 10 month and ???, depending on how much food is available.
And the Cardassians maybe getting 200, while the Bajorans only getting 100 would maybe make one reason to feel superior towards them.


TerokNor
Is there any reason to think that Bajorans are shorter lived than Humans, or shorter lived than Cardassians, for that matter?
 
The one I just wrote. But like I said, its a weak one, as of course time of pregnancy and time of life not really have a connection. So its no a reason, just a thought. We not really have reasons for either ways, long-lived, short-lived, same age.
However I do think Cardassians might have lifed longer than Bajorans or Humans, because they seem so reptile and we have some long-living reptiles on the planet...however am no expert for reptiles.

TerokNor
 
Well...I don't think the Cardassians are reptiles; I think they're therapsids instead (which we are descended from, but no longer live except their mammalian descendants).

And personally, I always thought Bajorans either have a life span on par with humans or longer.
 
^ We can assume so, being that the Bajorans are very physically similar to your garden variety Terran. (with the exception of the pregnancy and the ridged noses)

Plus Earth and Bajor seem to have a common climate and both enjoy relatively bountiful resources which would also indicate a shared lifespan.

BTW, does anyone have any in-universe theories as to why the Bajorans actually have those ridges on their nose? For the life of me I honestly can't think of one myself, it just seems to be a way of distinguishing them from the other hairless chimps.
 
Well...hmm... I cannot see how those ridges should be important for surviving, or hiding or so.... so maybe it has something to do with mating. Like those paradize birds, that can do all those funny things to impress the female. On the other hand bajoran males and females have the same ridges, all the same number, no different colour. Well but maybe they are extremly sensitive zones.
Maybe once they had long, flat, sharp spikes on their noses, when they were still walking on all four and did took it for defense or attack...and with the time it developed back and in the end only those ridges were left. Much like we´ve got still our tailbone on our skeletion, but no tail anylonger....for them the rest of those things are just still a bit visibel on the outside.
Or maybe they hadn´t had it all along, but one day there was someone with a mutation and that someone was strong and fertile and so after a long time this mutation got dominant, till everyone had it, even it was in the beginning just a coincdence mutation without use.

TerokNor
 
Since we're all happy bipeds in the Trek universe, it makes sense that all mating lures, clan identifiers and other such commonplace biological features would be on our faces. Possibly the real question is, what happened to those lures and identifiers on us humans? Why have we lost all of them? In essence, why are our heads among the smallest in the galaxy?

Perhaps humans are to the average humanoid what people with Down are to the average human: vaguely unnerving freaks whose facial features are too soft, too indistinct, too undeveloped, for comfort.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Well yeah, one could ask that question. The non-fantasy answer would of course be that we are the basic and for creating aliens and make them look diffrent from us, they got those things in their faces etc.
Answering in a fantasy way...hmm... I have no idea yet...

However your comparison between "people with down and average human" on this topic I find offending and crude...

TerokNor
 
^Yes, but the average human can live longer than that, though I'm not sure that Dr McCoy counts as 'average'...
 
^Yes, but the average human can live longer than that, though I'm not sure that Dr McCoy counts as 'average'...
Yes, but the average Human of that time has the advantages of a great medical system, good nourishment, good hygiene, high life standard, fewer reasons for stress, lower probability of violent death, etc., while the average Bajoran of the 24th century - who's spent most or all of their life under Cardassian occupation - has had... well, the very opposite of that.
 
Since we're all happy bipeds in the Trek universe, it makes sense that all mating lures, clan identifiers and other such commonplace biological features would be on our faces. Possibly the real question is, what happened to those lures and identifiers on us humans? Why have we lost all of them? In essence, why are our heads among the smallest in the galaxy?

Perhaps humans are to the average humanoid what people with Down are to the average human: vaguely unnerving freaks whose facial features are too soft, too indistinct, too undeveloped, for comfort.

Timo Saloniemi

Timo - it is probably is not a good idea to refer to people with Downs as 'freaks'. I see what you were trying to say...and yes, I am aware that people with Downs often can be identified by their looks. But calling them 'freaks' is really unnecessary.

Please don't do that again.

Thanks.

Beda
 
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