Question re: ending of Yesterday's Enterprise

[Jana12]

Hi everyone,

I just saw this episode and something's been bothering me...at the end when Guinan sits down with Geordi and asks him about Tasha, what would Geordi's knowledge about Tasha have been at that point? (Not considering what we know from later episodes). In other words, at that point, would there be a record of her in the history books as dying with the older Enterprise while defending that Klingon outpost? Geordi wouldn't remember her personally because he would have never served with her, she was 22 years back in the past. Would she be known to him as a heroic figure who died in battle (or survived the battle)?

Thanks for any help.

 

[Michael]

Hey Jana12! Geordi already knows Tasha from when she served aboard the Enterprise in season one. So I guess whatever he's going to tell Guinan is based on that experiences.

And no, I doubt that there are history records of her serving aboard the Enterprise-C. When the ship was sent through the time rift (or whatever anomaly it was this time), it went straight into a battle and was destroyed. It's only later that the Federation gets to know of the fate of some of her crewmen (among them Tasha Yar).

Hope that helps.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

And here I thought you were going to mention that it's disturbing how Guinan didn't even notice that she was talking to the alternate universe Laforge!!

That's how he knew about Tasha.

Look at his uniform. Not a lie.

 

[Jana12]

Thanks for your reply! I'm still confused though, she went back 22 years into the past so when would she have served with Geordi? didn't she change her whole history of service to the Federation by traveling so far back in time? Or if she served with Geordi she would have been a lot older?

sorry if I am super confused or just thinking about this wrong!

 

[Jana12]

I did know about the uniform, he's wearing the one from the alternate timeline! Saw it listed on one of the sites as a blooper.

 

[Michael]

I'm reminded of a scene from Back To The Future II.

Does that help?

 

[Chindogu]

I'm reminded of a scene from Back To The Future II.

Does that help?

Yeah, I was thinking of BttF2 as well.

But didn't the Alternate Timeline Tasha die after the Normal Timeline Tasha was born? I only say this because Sela was roughly the same age as the Normal Timeline Tasha.

I love these absurd Star Trek timeline anomalies.

 

[Michael]

^ Yeah, of course you're right. Sorry if I caused even more confusion.

 

[Anthony Sabre]

OK. The episode covered what happened if the C did not go back in time and be destroyed. But what would have happened if they had successfully defeated those 4 warbirds? Obviously diplomatic relations with the Klingons would have increased substantially. But there would have been Tasha Yar with technological insights from 22 years into the future. Also does she still end up serving on the D? Is there another Tasha out there from the restored timeline? Is the D commissioned as soon as it was, or is it the USS Galaxy instead with a different captain and crew?

 

[Ro_Laren]

OK. The episode covered what happened if the C did not go back in time and be destroyed. But what would have happened if they had successfully defeated those 4 warbirds? Obviously diplomatic relations with the Klingons would have increased substantially. But there would have been Tasha Yar with technological insights from 22 years into the future. Also does she still end up serving on the D? Is there another Tasha out there from the restored timeline? Is the D commissioned as soon as it was, or is it the USS Galaxy instead with a different captain and crew?

The Enterprise C never would have defeated all of those warbirds in the condition it was in, but that was not the point. It was enough that it was "destroyed" trying to defend the Klingon colony and it was therefore a sucessful mission (because their honorable deaths helped avert war with the Klingons).

When Tasha goes back in time there are in essence two Tasha Yars in existence- Tasha A (from the "normal" timeline) and Tasha B (from the Klingon war timeline). When Tasha B goes back to the past Tasha A is still a little girl (that is assuming that Tasha A would have been older than 22 by Season 3). Tasha B ends up getting captured by the Romulans. One Romulan falls in love with her and Tasha B ends up giving birth to Sela. We see Sela as a nemesis later on in TNG... she is apparently around Tasha A's age, had she still been alive, but I think that she was probably a couple years younger. Tasha A ends up serving on the Enterprise D in the "normal timeline." She is onboard the Enterprise for a little less than a year, serving with Geordi A. She ends up dying a senseless, pointless death caused by the "skin of evil" Armus (or whatever his name was). Guinan comes aboard Enterprise after Tasha A's death. One day there is a temporal rift and the Enterprise C comes through it thus changing the timeline. The Federation is at war with the Klingons and Tasha (that is Tasha B) is still alive. Guinan knows that the timeline was changed. She also knows that "Tasha" should be dead. Tasha B learns that "Tasha" died a senseless, meaningless death and volunteers to go back with the Enterprise C through the rift... she is hoping that her death will count for something. She goes back and is captured by the Romulans.... etc. And the loop goes on and on.

Does it make sense now???

 

[Unicron]

^ Yep. Geordi-(A)'s memory of Tasha would have been restored with the timeline, because the Tasha who went back with the C was her counterpart from the alternate history. Two different versions of the same person.

 

[SonicRanger]

Thanks for your reply! I'm still confused though, she went back 22 years into the past so when would she have served with Geordi? didn't she change her whole history of service to the Federation by traveling so far back in time? Or if she served with Geordi she would have been a lot older?

sorry if I am super confused or just thinking about this wrong!

Do you not know that Tasha Yar was a character in the "normal" timeline during Season 1 of TNG? That's how Geordi knew Tasha.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x03/nakednow041.jpg

 

[balls]

Do any of the TNG novels deal with a younger Sela trying to search out Tasha in the alternate timeline?

 

[Jana12]

Thanks everyone for all your lengthy explanations and diagrams! It makes more sense now. I loved the Back to the Future movies.

Guess it's been too long since I watched TNG. I just recently saw that Sci-Fi was running some of my fav episodes and I'd forgotten how good they were.

Thanks all,

Jana12

 

[HIj'Qa]

Guinan should have been asking Worf, who worked with Tasha much more than Geordi, but Y E is a Michael Dorn lite episode

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Do any of the TNG novels deal with a younger Sela trying to search out Tasha in the alternate timeline?

Sela wouldn't exist in that timeline.

 

[Anwar]

That's a question of whether or not the whole thing is predestination paradox or if the timeline from "Yesterday's Enterprise" onwards is an altered timeline.

IE, was the rift always going to happen, was Yar always going to go back in time? If so, does this mean that if they'd gone to Romulus before "YE" happened they'd have met Sela?

 

[balls]

Do any of the TNG novels deal with a younger Sela trying to search out Tasha in the alternate timeline?

Sela wouldn't exist in that timeline.

I think I shouldn't have said "alternate", but the real TNG timeline. This time travel thing is too confusing.

 

[Smiley]

Sela despised Tasha, so why would she seek out her other self? Besides, the Romulans were still in self-imposed isolation during Yar's lifetime.

 

[TigerOfDarkness]

Guinan should have been asking Worf, who worked with Tasha much more than Geordi, but Y E is a Michael Dorn lite episode

Or maybe she should have asked Data, as they were "intimate".