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Question for the Writers

My personal boogieman is "How to find a (more or less) honest agent who can actually get the job done?" as it's my understanding that without one you are dangling in the wind-very little chance of being saved from the slush pile, y'know what I mean?
Have you already written a novel? If not, you don't need an agent yet, and you can't really get one without having a novel ready for them to look at.

You also don't need an agent for short stories.

If you have already written a novel, you might look at Locus (go to locusmag.com online for the online version, but note that this part I'm about to talk about only appears in the print version). There's a section up front in each issue with genre publishing news. It says "author x sold a 3-book deal to publisher y via agent z." Try to get a picture of which agents represent which kinds of fiction (i.e. hard SF, fantasy, horror), and target your submissions accordingly. If an agent named there is already representing several established authors in the field, he/she is likely to be honest and competent. Look for their submission guidelines online.
 
Another tip: check out the acknowledgment pages in books that might resemble yours. Chances are the grateful author thanks his editor and agent by name. This can help point you to editors and agents whose tastes might be similar to your own.

Just check to make sure the info is up-to-date. You don't want to submit a proposal to someone who retired, switched jobs, or maybe even died five years ago!


P.S. Amy is absolutely right. Most legitimate agents want nothing to do with short stories. 15% of a $300 sale isn't worth their time.
 
Greg, Amy-TY for the good suggestions. Novel not done-but slowly inching in that direction.
 
Another tip, since this was born out of the topic(s) of fanfic, SNW, Trek writing, etc: Don't approach an agent if all you have is a media tie-in novel like Trek.

#1: A lot of agents don't really care to deal with media tie-ins, but do so for their clients who already write and publish "original fiction."

#2: An agent knows they can only sell such a work to one publishing house, and that there's little wiggle room with respect to advances, royalties, and so on. Again, not such an issue if your client already writes tie-ins, but not worth most agents' time if you're a first-time novelist with only a media tie-in project to offer.

#3: Media tie-ins don't sell on the basis of a finished manuscript. They're approved at the proposal stage, both by the editor and the property owner's licensing department. Writing a Trek complete novel and sending it to an agent is a waste of your time and theirs.

So, work on your original material, get an agent's attention, let them get that sold for you, and then let them know that in addition to your original work you are also interested in pursuing avenues for writing media tie-ins. Generally speaking, it's easier to make that case for you if you've got a track record of some kind.

And, it goes without saying that when approaching agents, remember the Cardinal Rule: Money flows to the writer. Agents (and "publishers") wanting you to pay up front costs, reading fees, fees for editorial services, and so forth are to be avoided. Always.
 
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I hope the pros here won't mind if I start asking general "getting published" questions rather than Trek-specific ones.

Obviously, the short story market is a huge opportunity. Is it critically important to actively read all the publications to which you submit, or just a very good idea? I mean, there are... hundreds of potential sci-fi magazines in which to publish, and that's just one genre. I can only afford an annual subscription to Asimov's and a few annual anthologies of "the year's best". Does that mean I should stick to trying to get Asimov's to publish me, since I actually read it, or is it a good idea to cast my net out further, to a wide variety of publications I don't read regularly or at all?

Thanks. Can't tell you how cool it is to have you folks here. I cannae believe it took me so long to notice there were pros in the lit forum. I thought it was just prose. (Heh heh heh. Pun.)
 
^ Why would you submit to a magazine without first getting a sense of the types of stories they publish? The only real way to do that is to read the kinds of things they're publishing. Otherwise, you run the risk of sending them something wholly inappropriate for consideration (translation: immediate rejection)
 
Ditto everything Dayton said.

However, that doesn't mean you need to religiously read every issue of every magazine. You should sample several. You can buy a single copy of Analog or F&SF in several Borders bookstores. You might also try Strange Horizons, which you can read free online. They are considered a professional market, and a sale to them counts as qualifying for membership in Science Fiction Writers of American (SFWA), which may or may not be a goal of yours.

And no, don't try to sell to only one market. You can write a brilliant story, but it may not happen to be to that editor's personal taste. It would be a waste not to send it elsewhere.
 
How come none of the writers(published) ever come to the fanfic forum and leave comments about our crude attempts? I realize some of us are complete amateurs but some of the people posting stories have actual talent and others would benefit from your insight. I know you are busy little beavers but if y'all could at least drop by to comment on the Monthly Challenge it would be a real boost to our efforts-it doesn't matter if we are trying to join your ranks or are just having fun. So how come y'all hide over here? (Grins sardonically) I know you can't be afraid of us actually doing a better job than y'all.:rolleyes::lol:

Additional note-"no time" doesn't cut it-I saw how much time was spent commenting on the "I (heart) Greg Cox" t-shirt. So drop by once in a while!:)
I can't read fanfic. I spend all day reading other non-published things at work. I prefer the feel of legally-copyrighted works in my hands. I'm waiting for Pocket to reprint it. I can't afford a dedicated fanfic reader. Some other excuse that's code for "I don't want to."
 
By all means, check out writerbeware.com. It's a site sponsored by the Science Fiction Writers of America that's full of good advice on how to avoid scam agents and publishers who prey on aspiring writers.

I'd also like to mention that A.C. Crispin (a former Star Trek author) is the co-chairman of Writer Beware and I am their lowly, but loyal, apprentice.

You can also check out the Writer Beware blog at http://accrispin.blogspot.com
 
How come none of the writers(published) ever come to the fanfic forum and leave comments about our crude attempts? I realize some of us are complete amateurs but some of the people posting stories have actual talent and others would benefit from your insight. I know you are busy little beavers but if y'all could at least drop by to comment on the Monthly Challenge it would be a real boost to our efforts-it doesn't matter if we are trying to join your ranks or are just having fun. So how come y'all hide over here? (Grins sardonically) I know you can't be afraid of us actually doing a better job than y'all.:rolleyes::lol:

Additional note-"no time" doesn't cut it-I saw how much time was spent commenting on the "I (heart) Greg Cox" t-shirt. So drop by once in a while!:)

Honestly, due to the nature of the subject matter and my desire to keep writing it, I don't want to read and comment on somebody's fanfic and then get sued for "lifting" something [that I thought up on my own.]

I just don't want to take the risk.
 
For those aspiring writers out there (like myself) is there any advice the pros can give us? Doesn't even have to be about Trek specifically, but just writing and getting published in general.


I motivated myself to finish my first screenplay by promising my dad I'd donate $100 to the Republican party if I missed my deadline. And I think John Edwards is too conservative.

Got it done with 3 days to spare. :D


Marian
 
For those aspiring writers out there (like myself) is there any advice the pros can give us? Doesn't even have to be about Trek specifically, but just writing and getting published in general.

Avoid hookers with 2-way radios.

Okay, seriously: The question is rather open-ended. What specific topic(s) would you like to discuss? :)

Well my biggest issue in my own writing (besides time and a recently developed problem of willpower, one too many rejection letters) is description. I just can't seem to ever put the words down to set up the scene and just shoot straight for either the action or the dialogue. And the funny thing about it is, the paragraphs that set up a scene or describe the scenary in a lot of the books I read are my favorite parts.


Oh and thanks for the websites Jim!
 
In the hopes that the writers will stop quoting my (ignorant) first post in this thread-I GOT IT AND UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY! There-anyone else who quotes that first post will be formally nominated to the Dumbass Society of America for membership(I'm President). :lol:
That having been said-Muchas Gracias to the writers who have taken the time to offer suggestions and help in this thread to aspiring(or is that expiring?) writers. Everybody starts somewhere and having people help means you fall down less often. That WritersBeware thing sounds like a great touchstone and the advice that Greg, Amy, and Dayton gave is both solid and useful. One of the moderators PM'd me about a possible sticky thread to serve just such a purpose-established writers offering advice to newbies on how to go about the whole business of being a pro-WITHOUT dealing with actual story ideas/concepts. If y'all are ok with that let TerriO know. And thanks again-sorry I had to be the Prez.:lol:
 
In the hopes that the writers will stop quoting my (ignorant) first post in this thread-I GOT IT AND UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY! There-anyone else who quotes that first post will be formally nominated to the Dumbass Society of America for membership(I'm President). :lol:
You're just bound and determined to piss someone off, aren't you...?
 
And the funny thing about it is, the paragraphs that set up a scene or describe the scenary in a lot of the books I read are my favorite parts.

Oh and thanks for the websites Jim!

You're welcome!

As for description, one of the useful techniques I've learned from other writers is to take one of those books you enjoy, find a scene that you think is well described, and analyze the heck out of it. Tear it apart sentence by sentence and word by word, type out the scene yourself just to see how it looks, examine the specific word choices the author used to paint the picture.

The first time someone suggested I do this I felt like it was tedious busy work, but once I sat down and gave it a try, I learned a lot. It's all about taking the time to improve your craft.
 
In the hopes that the writers will stop quoting my (ignorant) first post in this thread-I GOT IT AND UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY! There-anyone else who quotes that first post will be formally nominated to the Dumbass Society of America for membership(I'm President). :lol:
You're just bound and determined to piss someone off, aren't you...?
Nah, probably already did that:lol: Just trying to sweep under rug a la a Bugs Bunny cartoon and move on. (Innocuous whistling sound here).:)
 
As for description, one of the useful techniques I've learned from other writers is to take one of those books you enjoy, find a scene that you think is well described, and analyze the heck out of it. Tear it apart sentence by sentence and word by word, type out the scene yourself just to see how it looks, examine the specific word choices the author used to paint the picture.

The first time someone suggested I do this I felt like it was tedious busy work, but once I sat down and gave it a try, I learned a lot. It's all about taking the time to improve your craft.

Brilliant idea, thanks! This is something I definitely need to work on too.
 
Discovering how to write description can also hinge on your viewpoint as the writer. If you're the type that tends to visualize whatever sequences you're writing, then all you need to do if you feel the need for description is mentally pause the scene and rotate the camera to take a closer look at the surroundings. If you're not the visualization type, then, with the understanding that your characters understand the world as your readers would (not always a given in sci-fi), ask yourself some sensory questions. Around the characters, what are the colours? Shapes and angles? Textures? Odours? If need be, jot down the answers quickly, like a bullet-point list, then find a way to turn them into a sentence or two.

Personally, I've always found the most difficult aspect of description to be balance. On the one hand, you want to prove the readers with an idea of the character's surroundings; on the other hand, you don't want to bog the reader down with long, unnecessary itemizations of their physical environment. This is particularly important in short stories, where the brevity of the story means space is already at a premium, and scenic material competes with plot, characterization and the rest of it for words on the page. I know I get annoyed when reading someone like Chekhov, who sometimes spends half his story making landscape paintings, or Zola, who is compelled to give the history behind every damn spot on the wall. IMHO, description is best used sparingly where it isn't important for the reader to understand the physical layout of the scene. Unless, of course, landscape plays an important role in the story, which is a strong possibility in a sci-fi context where landscapes might be unfamiliar or otherwise radically altered. Hmm; I don't think this is helping. Basically, whatever the story requires.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
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