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Question about TOS novels post Coda Trilogy

Freman

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I was wondering if the TOS novels coming out post-Coda trilogy still use references to the Litverse stuff? Are they still maintaining a sense of continuity with each other, or are we back to the "no continuity between books" days like back in the 80s? Because that would be a shame.
 
At least one upcoming TOS novel, Harm's Way, seems to have major ties to the LitVerse. According the description it's going to be a Vanguard crossover, set during the fourth book of the series written by David Mack.
 
Except for the history of the Travelers and the Aegis apparently.

Not really. The novels/novellas kept the identity of the species behind the Aegis vague, and while what was hinted at differs from the Travelers, there's no reason the Aegis couldn't be a multispecies organization.
 
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Coda left room for pre-2373 divergences through some sort of temporal domino effect, presumably because the writers knew this sort of thing would happen. And David Mack has acknowledged that Harm’s Way was written in full knowledge that SNW might contradict some of the Vanguard backstory.
 
Coda left room for pre-2373 divergences through some sort of temporal domino effect, presumably because the writers knew this sort of thing would happen. And David Mack has acknowledged that Harm’s Way was written in full knowledge that SNW might contradict some of the Vanguard backstory.
I think they should just continue on as if the TOS era books are still in the Litverse timeline and to heck with trying to gel with the new prequel shows. As far as I'm concerned, they're not Prime timeline either.
 
I think they should just continue on as if the TOS era books are still in the Litverse timeline and to heck with trying to gel with the new prequel shows. As far as I'm concerned, they're not Prime timeline either.

Fanfiction writers can do that if they want. We're hired contractors working on behalf of the property owners. Our job is to tell stories based on the universe they create. If I want to write something where I'm in full control and can do what I want, I have my original universes for that. But when I write Star Trek, I'm a contractor, and it's my professional responsibility to work within my employer's specifications.

And it's deeper than that, for me. It's a matter of respect. They have as much right to control their creation as I do to control my own original universes. It would be obnoxious as hell if someone came along and tried to tell me I was wrong about how I developed my own universe and that they could do it better. I would want other people to respect my ownership of my own universe, so by the Golden Rule, it's incumbent upon me to respect Paramount/CBS's ownership of the Star Trek universe.

It's also a matter of gratitude. I've been able to make a living, modestly, for most of the past two decades because Paramount/CBS has hired me to write fiction based on their universe. I owe them. I'm thankful for the opportunities they've allowed me. So I'm not going to be an entitled jerk who feels I have more ownership rights to their property than they do. That would just be ungrateful.
 
Not really. The novels/novellas kept the identity of the species behind the Aegis vague, and while what was hinted at differs from the Travelers, there's no reason the Aegis couldn't be a multispecies organization.

Heck, the Travelers aren't a SPECIES as Wesley joins them. They're just people with incredible psychic powers.

So maybe Wesley joined Aegis after gaining his Traveler powers alongside...maybe, the Traveler.
 
Pre-TNG TrekLit secretly survives, because Coda puts the point of divergence in 2373.
Yet that future hinges on events as far back as the Earth/Romulan war. As such, I kinda think of the litverse as it's own thing. Kinda like how Guinan not knowing Picard in PIC S2 makes very questionable sense when taken in the same breath as the divergence point between that show's 2 timelines being ahead of the group's arrival time when it should imply a divergence far before.

I get that's not the official stance, but it certainly makes it easier.
 
Una Chin-Riley
SNW continues to present a take incompatible with pre-streaming novels

James T. Kirk
SNW continues to present a take incompatible with pre-streaming novels

Joseph M'Benga
Undetermined as of yet; SNW will likely continue to diverge from the Vanguard novels

Christopher Pike
SNW continues to present a take incompatible with pre-streaming novels

Gary Seven's organisation
PIC tying in Wesley Crusher's Travellers is incompatible with previous novels' depiction of the Aegis programme

Khan Noonien Singh
PIC and SNW have implicitly set up a future arc or series incompatible with all previous works, instead implying Khan Noonien Singh as born in 1996 and participating in a second Eugenics War

Spock
SNW continues to present a take incompatible with pre-streaming novels

Andorians
Undetermined as of yet; DIS et al. continue to virtually ignore the novels' four-gender system
SNW may yet go differently compared to previous novels' depiction of the near-extinction of the Aenar

Gorn
SNW's take is utterly incompatible with pre-streaming novels

Klingons
DIS and SNW ignore the existence of the QuchHa', have a different background for human-looking infiltrators, and set up a different backstory for Klingon escalation in the 2260s

Orions
Undetermined as of yet; DIS and LD may yet go differently

Saurians
Undetermined as of yet; DIS may yet go differently compared to the ENT novels' depiction of second contact and Maltuvis

Tholians
Undetermined as of yet; SNW may yet introduce a different take compared to the Vanguard novels

Trill
Undetermined as of yet; SNW may yet introduce a different take on Emony Dax and Audrid Dax

Mirror Universe
DIS's depiction of Emperor Georgiou is, of course, utterly incompatible with pre-streaming novels
 
I always resolve my continuity issue with the novels saying it's all due to time travel.

:)

They're all canon but get overwritten by 4th dimensional shenanigans.
 
Una Chin-Riley
SNW continues to present a take incompatible with pre-streaming novels

There isn't really an overarching TOS-era continuity the way there was with the 24th-century novels. There are some things that have continuity within themselves and reference other TOS-era stuff, like Vanguard and my TOS-era books, but a lot of the books are standalones.

And most of the novels that featured Pike and Number One weren't really part of any larger continuity anyway. I'm not sure there are any that overtly connect to the larger Novelverse.


James T. Kirk
SNW continues to present a take incompatible with pre-streaming novels

The only version of Kirk we've seen in SNW to date is from an alternate future. His season 2 appearances seem likely to introduce inconsistencies, though.


Gary Seven's organisation
PIC tying in Wesley Crusher's Travellers is incompatible with previous novels' depiction of the Aegis programme

As I already said, this is not the case. There's no reason the Aegis as depicted in the novels couldn't include the Travelers among its participants.


Khan Noonien Singh
PIC and SNW have implicitly set up a future arc or series incompatible with all previous works, instead implying Khan Noonien Singh as born in 1996 and participating in a second Eugenics War

This is incorrect. The files that Adam Soong examined at the end of PIC season 2 were dated 1996 and titled "Project Khan." There is no reason a project involving the Augments' initial conception would be named for Khan specifically, since he was just one of hundreds, and nobody could have known at his conception that he would be the most successful or dominant one. The only way "Project Khan" makes sense was if it was a project commissioned after the Eugenics Wars to attempt to replicate the Augments. We already know from Enterprise that the Soong family does continue the Augment project on its own in future generations.


Andorians
Undetermined as of yet; DIS et al. continue to virtually ignore the novels' four-gender system

Everyone seems to forget that the four-gender system in the novels was designed from the start to be compatible with an onscreen two-gender portrayal of the Andorians, with two of the genders presenting as male and using he/him pronouns in English and the other two presenting as female and using she/her pronouns. The creators of the books' system knew that the shows would likely continue to portray Andorians as two-gendered, so they pre-emptively designed a four-gender system that was reconcilable with that.


SNW may yet go differently compared to previous novels' depiction of the near-extinction of the Aenar

The novels establish that the Aenar's apparent extinction doesn't happen until the late 2270s, a couple of decades after the SNW time frame.


Gorn
SNW's take is utterly incompatible with pre-streaming novels

And with "Arena." I prefer to believe SNW's "Gorn" are a different species entirely, perhaps some kind of Gorn bioweapon animals that have been mistaken for the actual Gorn.


Klingons
DIS and SNW ignore the existence of the QuchHa'

That's no worse a problem than TOS not having any HemQuch, or TNG not having any smooth-browed Romulans. In many such cases, we simply have to assume that they were there, but just offscreen. It's a big universe and we only see a narrow piece of it at any given time.

, have a different background for human-looking infiltrators,

No reason all infiltrators have to have the same origin.


and set up a different backstory for Klingon escalation in the 2260s

I don't see how.


Mirror Universe
DIS's depiction of Emperor Georgiou is, of course, utterly incompatible with pre-streaming novels

I don't think so. The Novelverse MU continuity conveniently skips over the period from 2248-2264, aside from one brief flashback to the Mirror version of "The Cage," which reveals little about the state of Imperial politics at the time. So there's room for Georgiou's stint as Emperor to be plugged into the continuity, if you gloss over a few details.
 
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