Spoilers Question about Ash Tyler (Spoiler for those who have yet to watch the show.)

[Tribble puncher]

In your opinion, did it add any depth to the overall story to have Ash Tyler turn out to be Voq? did anything feel lazy about the revelation? I mean, he's basically Ash Tyler now, as the Voq persona was killed off by L'Rell (which I don't understand, I'd think she'd WANT Tyler to die if Voq can't be reasserted as the dominant personality, to her, he was Voq even if he LOOKED human) I'm just not really sure what the purpose was of making him Voq at all if that never went anywhere.

 

[skip bittman]

It was just really really difficult not to say "Yes I can hear you, Clem Fandango" every time he appeared.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Ash is Voq
Ben is Glory
Soylent Green is people
It's all the same to me.

While I don't think the magic box aspect was done well (or even necessary) the character fits within the themes of duality and two-facedness - like Stamets/Lorca/Georgiou and their mirrors - and more directly with "mirroring" Micheal: where she was a human pretending to be alien he was an alien pretending to be human.

 

[XCV330]

In your opinion, did it add any depth to the overall story to have Ash Tyler turn out to be Voq? did anything feel lazy about the revelation? I mean, he's basically Ash Tyler now, as the Voq persona was killed off by L'Rell (which I don't understand, I'd think she'd WANT Tyler to die if Voq can't be reasserted as the dominant personality, to her, he was Voq even if he LOOKED human) I'm just not really sure what the purpose was of making him Voq at all if that never went anywhere.

I doubt Voq is completely gone. THere were hints of that in the final episode.

 

[F. King Daniel]

He's Ash Tyler now, with Voq's memories and experiences. And since it was a mysterious unknown medical procedure that Tyler'd him in the end, I'm sure there's loads of potential for more sci-fi split-personality shenanigans.

 

[Tuskin38]

I doubt Voq is completely gone. THere were hints of that in the final episode.

The Voq personality is gone, but Tyler still has his memories which would influence him.

 

[XCV330]

It was just Tyler acting on Voq's memories.

What is a person but the sum of their memories?

 

[Tuskin38]

What is a person but the sum of their memories?

Brain chemistry, motivations, personality.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

He's Ash Tyler now, with Voq's memories and experiences. And since it was a mysterious unknown medical procedure that Tyler'd him in the end, I'm sure there's loads of potential for more sci-fi split-personality shenanigans.

V'Ash Tyloq

 

[TrickyDickie]

Maybe Michael will persuade him to get his mind re-trained. But not like Spock in TVH.

More like a VoqAshional-Technical school.

 

[Terok Nor]

It was convoluted and dumb. It added nothing. The real Tyler should come back and kill off TyVoq so the whole mess can be forgotten.

 

[USS Triumphant]

More like a VoqAshional-Technical school.

Someone put him in an agony booth, please.

 

[XCV330]

V'Ash Tyloq

So now he lives a long time, drops the last name, changes gender and catches Q's eye.

 

[Tuskin38]

It was convoluted and dumb. It added nothing. The real Tyler should come back and kill off TyVoq so the whole mess can be forgotten.

Except the real Tyler is dead.

 

[Terok Nor]

Except the real Tyler is dead.

*cough* Culber *cough*

 

[Tuskin38]

*cough* Culber *cough*

Different circumstances.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Someone put him in an agony booth, please.

 

[Dukhat]

Different circumstances.

I think what Terok Nor means is that in the fantasy of science fiction, it doesn’t matter how someone dies; there’s always the possibility of that person returning.

 

[Terok Nor]

I think what Terok Nor means is that in the fantasy of science fiction, it doesn’t matter how someone dies; there’s always the possibility of that person returning.

Exactly. Spock being Star Trek's biggest example.

 

[XCV330]

Maybe Will Decker will finally show up again, dropped off by V'Ger after all these years on Picard's new show, "Well, that was interesting. Saw a lot of things, but it got old after awhile. Vger-Ilia and I split up. Something about my browser history. She was kind of old for me, anyhow. So anyway, what's going on? Where do I get my back pay?"