Spoilers Question about Ash Tyler (Spoiler for those who have yet to watch the show.)

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Tribble puncher, Aug 16, 2018.

  1. Tribble puncher

    Tribble puncher Captain Captain

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    In your opinion, did it add any depth to the overall story to have Ash Tyler turn out to be Voq? did anything feel lazy about the revelation? I mean, he's basically Ash Tyler now, as the Voq persona was killed off by L'Rell (which I don't understand, I'd think she'd WANT Tyler to die if Voq can't be reasserted as the dominant personality, to her, he was Voq even if he LOOKED human) I'm just not really sure what the purpose was of making him Voq at all if that never went anywhere.
     
  2. skip bittman

    skip bittman Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    It was just really really difficult not to say "Yes I can hear you, Clem Fandango" every time he appeared.
     
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  3. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

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    Ash is Voq
    Ben is Glory
    Soylent Green is people
    It's all the same to me.

    While I don't think the magic box aspect was done well (or even necessary) the character fits within the themes of duality and two-facedness - like Stamets/Lorca/Georgiou and their mirrors - and more directly with "mirroring" Micheal: where she was a human pretending to be alien he was an alien pretending to be human.
     
  4. XCV330

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    I doubt Voq is completely gone. THere were hints of that in the final episode.
     
  5. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    He's Ash Tyler now, with Voq's memories and experiences. And since it was a mysterious unknown medical procedure that Tyler'd him in the end, I'm sure there's loads of potential for more sci-fi split-personality shenanigans.
     
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  6. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The Voq personality is gone, but Tyler still has his memories which would influence him.
     
  7. XCV330

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    What is a person but the sum of their memories?
     
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  8. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Brain chemistry, motivations, personality.
     
  9. Mad Jack Wolfe

    Mad Jack Wolfe Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    V'Ash Tyloq
     
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  10. TrickyDickie

    TrickyDickie Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Maybe Michael will persuade him to get his mind re-trained. But not like Spock in TVH.

    More like a VoqAshional-Technical school.

    :borg:
     
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  11. Terok Nor

    Terok Nor Commodore Commodore

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    It was convoluted and dumb. It added nothing. The real Tyler should come back and kill off TyVoq so the whole mess can be forgotten.
     
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  12. USS Triumphant

    USS Triumphant Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Someone put him in an agony booth, please.
     
  13. XCV330

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    So now he lives a long time, drops the last name, changes gender and catches Q's eye.
     
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  14. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Except the real Tyler is dead.
     
  15. Terok Nor

    Terok Nor Commodore Commodore

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    *cough* Culber *cough*
     
  16. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Different circumstances.
     
  17. TrickyDickie

    TrickyDickie Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    [​IMG]

    ;)
     
  18. Dukhat

    Dukhat Admiral Admiral

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    I think what Terok Nor means is that in the fantasy of science fiction, it doesn’t matter how someone dies; there’s always the possibility of that person returning.
     
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  19. Terok Nor

    Terok Nor Commodore Commodore

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    Exactly. Spock being Star Trek's biggest example.
     
  20. XCV330

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    Maybe Will Decker will finally show up again, dropped off by V'Ger after all these years on Picard's new show, "Well, that was interesting. Saw a lot of things, but it got old after awhile. Vger-Ilia and I split up. Something about my browser history. She was kind of old for me, anyhow. So anyway, what's going on? Where do I get my back pay?"