Quantum of Solace - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Agent Richard07, Oct 27, 2008.


Grade the movie...

  1. Excellent

  2. Above Average

  3. Average

  4. Below Average

  5. Poor

  1. intrinsical

    intrinsical Commodore Commodore

    Mar 3, 2005
    As a standalone Bond movie, Quantum of Solace lacks a lot of stuff including Bond gadgets (and Q), Bond stunts, and a good Bond villain.

    However, I believe QoS is still a very good installment of James Bond when viewed as the middle chapter of a story arc that started in Casino Royale. This time, Bond Girl Camille actually serves an important plot point rather than being just a simple sex object. Through her, Bond finally gets over his feelings for Vesper and has finally taken on the full mantel of James Bond. Putting the signature gun barrel at the end was very fitting.

    The villain this time, Dominic Greene, is yet another "small fry" villain like Le Chiffre in CR. I can only hope that both Le Chiffre and Dominic Green are merely the Quantum's lower echelon of villain-bosses and as Bond uncovers more of Quantum's core operations, we get to meet better Bond adversaries.
  2. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    QC, IL, USA
    Going to see it this afternoon!

  3. DWF

    DWF Admiral Admiral

    May 19, 2001
    Columbus, Ohio
    I went with above average, they continued the realism of Casino Royale but they upped the action and violence of that movie, the action was dizzying at times but I'm still curious about Quantum. And I liked the little nod to Goldfinger.
  4. propita

    propita Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Mar 9, 2001
    fresno, ca, us


    Looked better than I thought it would. We'll see what happens.

    I agree with the posters about Bond's rage. Of course he wasn't showing a huge range of emotions--he was only feeling one, rage. Leading to revenge.

    Overall, I enjoyed the film. I wasn't expecting Shakespeare, just to be entertained and move the storyline along.

    As for Quantum staying such a mystery--well how could one movie go from "We don't know anything about them, even that they existed" to "Yeah, here's the dirt on Quantum, this is what they're about, who're members, what they're doing and where they're doing it"?

    It needs build up.

    As for Bond/M--very nice attachment is shown. He says she acts like she sometimes thinks she his mother. And he dotes on her, in his way. And part of his reason for going (besides Vesper) is because "they tried to kill a friend of mine." M, I assume. But she worries about him, worries she's lost him to his rage. His line to her at the end, that he had "never left" was a nice touch: Reassurance that he's still there and that he's past his rage. Reproachment for doubting him in the first place.

    I figured the reason Bond let the b/f live was because slow torture for info has got to be worse than a quick death at Bond's hands.
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2008
  5. Neroon

    Neroon Mod of Balance Moderator

    Oct 31, 2000
    On my ship the Rocinante
    I just got back from seeing "Quantum of Solace" and I enjoyed it immensely. Not as much as I enjoyed Craig's first go in "Casino Royale".... but it was still worth seeing.

    There were a few little burps and things that bugged me. For one, if Fields was an office worker of sorts, then why send her into the field to bring in Bond whom they believe has gone rogue?

    As a bad guy... Dominic Greene was only okay. He didn't seem to have enough malevolence to him for a villain worth fearing.

    Now... what I liked were the little touches. Craig seemed to convey the little nuances in facial expression. The touch of seeing Vesper's necklace left in the snow may have been obvious, but I still liked it as an indication that Bond was ready to move on, finally. Closing the film with the traditional Bond theme and iris effect... man I was a bit worried we wouldn't see it.!

    I'm sure there's more I'm not thinking of at the moment, and after reading through the thread I will. But I liked the movie and will definitely get it on DVD when it comes out.
  6. davejames

    davejames Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 6, 2001
    Sac, Ca
    Have to agree with the critics on this one. There was lots of great looking action-- and some really stylish and well-edited set pieces-- but the story was so thin and flimsy it was hard to really CARE about any of it.

    The movie was also sorely lacking a sense of fun and wit. And the villain was completely forgettable too.
  7. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    QC, IL, USA
    ^I agree. It looked good, but there was almost no story. I can barely even tell you what the plot was about.
  8. Captain Qwert Jr

    Captain Qwert Jr Captain Captain

    Dec 29, 2002
    The Deep South
    I will be quick , so I can exorcise this film from my mind.

    The Good: Danial Craig, Judi Dench, and Jeffrey Wright are excellent.

    The Bad:
    Terribly directed, and terribly written.

    The Ugly: All that great Casino Royale build up wasted on some bizarre Roman Polanski pun? Really?!?
  9. Neroon

    Neroon Mod of Balance Moderator

    Oct 31, 2000
    On my ship the Rocinante
    I thought the nod to "Goldfinger" was cool, though.
  10. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Admiral Premium Member

    Mar 2, 2003
    San Francisco Bay Area, CA
    What nod to GoldFinger. :confused:
  11. Bob The Skutter

    Bob The Skutter Complete Arse Cleft Premium Member

    Jul 12, 2001
    Bob The Skutter
    Strawberry Fields covered in oil in the same pose as the woman covered in gold.
  12. David cgc

    David cgc Vice Admiral Premium Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Also, it's a bit more meta, but Greene's M.O. was broadly similar to Goldfinger's scheme. Get a bunch of a resource, and then boost demand for it through villainy.
  13. Brolan

    Brolan Commodore Commodore

    Jul 1, 2002
    With the French nation
    Hugely disappointing, muddled mess of a movie that thinks it needs to out-Bourne Bourne. And enough with the shaky camera work already!

    I hope they rehire the creative people from Casino Royale for the next one.
  14. Tom Servo

    Tom Servo Commodore Commodore

    Aug 25, 2004
    New York, New York
    Very good film. Not as good as Casino Royale, but still kick ass.
  15. TedShatner10

    TedShatner10 Commodore Commodore

    Oct 27, 2007
    Some of the editing and directing decisions are counterintuitive, but I don't think the writing is that bad, especially in comparison to GoldenEye or Die Another Day.
  16. Barbados Slim

    Barbados Slim Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Aug 31, 2003
    The L.A.
    It was emotionally similar to Bourne Supremacy, where the plot of both films are driven by the character's rage and desperate need for answers. And they both have similar scenes, the quiet moment in a Russian apartment.

    That said, I hated that the car chase was filmed like a Bourne movie, as well as the chase for Mitchell. I do love a lot of the fight choreography, Craig is awesome with the stunts. My favorite is probably when he smacked the handlebars of the Haitian's bike and stole it. I liked Camille, didn't care for Strawberry Fields, in that she was unnecessary and the actress wasn't very good. Greene wasn't much of an imposing villain.

    Don't get me wrong I really enjoyed the film. While CR was better, this is still a good sign that Bond films are getting smarter. It was basically what Licence to Kill failed to be. I felt like we had to go on this journey because I was a huge fan of Vesper Lynd but I'm ready for the next one to show a Bond that enjoys his work and has fun. I just hope they don't go overboard.

    And my theater didn't show the Trek trailer :(
  17. Evil Twin

    Evil Twin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Mar 25, 2005
    Just got back from it. Y'know... I liked it. Not as good as Casino Royale, but I still liked it. I agree with most of your points, Slim. The comparison to Bourne Supremacy is accurate (even down to the "SLOW THE FUCK DOWN ALREADY!" action sequence editing :lol:) Yeah the villain was weak, but I like that they're back to having a SPECTRE-like organization and Bond's taking down their lackeys one at a time! And yeah, this was definitely Licence to Kill done right!
  18. Good Will Riker

    Good Will Riker Admiral

    Mar 13, 2001
    Southern California, USA
    If you compare Quantum of Solace with Goldfinger side-by-side, it would appear as though the overall quality of EON produced 007 films have taken a huge nosedive in the last 44 years.

    How can a billion-dollar franchise and a well-oiled machine produce...

    It is inexcusable. :borg:

    Which is why I give this film a grade of "F" for the script and the lackluster direction.

    Marc Forster is a good director when it comes to dramas, but considering how close he shot all of the action sequences and the way he failed to connect the audience emotionally to the surroundings, the atmosphere, and the events surrounding the characters in this plot driven film with barely a plot...words escape me.

    This is just dreadful, and would be utterly forgettable if not for the fact that it is an official canon film in the EON produced 007 franchise.
  19. DarthPipes

    DarthPipes Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 3, 2006
    Reading his background, I have no idea why this guy was given the reigns for the Bond film.
  20. Agent Richard07

    Agent Richard07 Admiral Admiral

    Jun 20, 2001
    Barbara Broccoli says that Camille could come back.