Oh, no you don't. You know when someone says "flop" they mean the film sucks. Stop backsliding.
Punisher: Warzone is another flop
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Oh, no you don't. You know when someone says "flop" they mean the film sucks. Stop backsliding.
You are comparing apples and oranges - the two are unconnected - A film can be the best film ever made and a complete box office flop, it can be complete crap like POTC and make bucket loads of money.
The financial performance of a film is unconnected to it's "worth".
You seem to want to use flop in some non-standard way - that's upto you but don't be surprised if people have no idea what you are talking about. When people talk about films and call them flops they talk about films that either lose money or barely break events - that's a statement about box office, it's not a critique of the film itself.
As for the wider question - I simply don't care, it's the low brow popcorn films that provide the revenue needed for cinemas to exist and for studios to take chances on risker and more interesting films. they can knock out 100 transformers a year for all I care - it's just not a concern of mine as a viewer.
It's not backsliding - it's a common piece of terminology used by people in those sorts of discussions to indicate they are discuss box office not the critical merits of the material provided.
Your use is non-standard.
The bolded text proves the point the "rest of us" would acknowledge...as did Warners. I believe they used a very similar statement for Superman Returns.
Damn, that Batman & Robin was such a GREAT film.
Why you can't separate the two is beyond me on this. No one would call Batman & Robin a great movie...creatively. Financially though it wasn't a flop. You can't seem to differentiate financially vs creative for some reason and yes there is a difference.
Not see Ghost Rider, Batman and Robin was a terrible film but I think it made money so it wasn't a flop.
I didn't say "Box Office Flop". I said flop.
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Something that fails miserably The Final Fantasy movie was the biggest flop since Battlefield Earth.
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The word as I have used it is perfectly valid. It also proves that people DO use the word as I am using here.
Please find me someone else who thinks this way. I think even high schoolers would understand the difference...you're not in H.S. are you?
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Johnny English was a flop and that IS a good movie
And yet you're the one who resorted to ad-hominem attacks?
Read the above post.
EDITE: Read my previous post.
Don't get all super sensitive on us it was meant tounge in cheek.
OK now I must ask if your just being obtuse.
They are exactly talking about Final Fantasy in terms of box office revenue when compared to Battlefield Earth. Did you bother to look up Battlefield Earth?
That term is specifically speaking to its budget vs box office revenue.
Battlefield Earth Budget: $75m WWTotal: $29m
Final Fantasy Budget: $137m WWTotal: $85m
Although that Urbandictionary needs an update to include The Adventures of Pluto Nash, it supercedes both of them as true flops(as everyone else uses the term).
OK now I must ask if your just being obtuse.
They are exactly talking about Final Fantasy in terms of box office revenue when compared to Battlefield Earth. Did you bother to look up Battlefield Earth?
That term is specifically speaking to its budget vs box office revenue.
Battlefield Earth Budget: $75m WWTotal: $29m
Final Fantasy Budget: $137m WWTotal: $85m
Although that Urbandictionary needs an update to include The Adventures of Pluto Nash, it supercedes both of them as true flops(as everyone else uses the term).
Alright, fine. I concede.
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Speed Racer is one huge flop
Let's see...Milk not on the radar? It's being platformed out. It's getting Oscar buzz, too. Lots of it.
Whatever. My original point still stands, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Studios put a gag order on all early reviews. Period. Regardless of film, stars, genre or release date.
Absolutely I will deny this. American History X: budget $20 million. Alien: budget $11 million. Batman: budget $35 million. Brokeback Mountain: budget $14 million. Keep painting with a broad brush...
Because they make money. Look, I don't necessarily like mindless action either. However, the business reality is these kinds of films make money while epics like Australia do not. The tentpoles and marquee films allow the studios to take a chance on smaller projects.
All this movie needs to do is make $35 million + $17.50 million for marketing (total $52.50 million) around the world to make a profit. The original, based on a $33 million budget, made $54 million internationally, not including DVD's, which, btw, accounted for another $10 million in rentals and 1.8 million DVD's sold in the first five days. Hollywood is a money making business. I understand that.
By the way, never saw The Transporter and don't care to.
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Nope. The Wizard of Oz was a flop when it came out but is now regarded as a children's classic. Charles Laughton's only movie as a director Night of the Hunter flopped at the box office but is also regarded as a classic. Heaven's Gate flopped at the box office but is now regarded as having some merit, if not exactly a classic.
Batman and Robin was not a flop. It was a box office success (if less so than its predecessors) but disastrously received by critics and fans.
Sorry, but your definition of the word 'flop' is unique to you. A film may flop financially and critically - Catwoman, Battlefield Earth, Johnny Mnemonic, Speed 2 - but you're the only person I've ever heard to use the word to refer solely to the quality of a movie as oppose to its box office success.
Primer - $7000 (no not a misprint).
I ignored that other guy (Ben something or other), since he's only itching to hurl insults.
Maybe you've missed my post a couple of minutes ago. I conceded. What more is there to discuss?
Anyway, I am not the only one to ever use the word "flop" the way that I used it. Just because you haven't heard the term used in that way, doesn't mean that it isn't used in that way. You don't have experience with every human being on the planet.
EDIT: I see a certain post has been edited, since my comment.
Maybe you've missed my post a couple of minutes ago. I conceded. What more is there to discuss?
Anyway, I am not the only one to ever use the word "flop" the way that I used it. Just because you haven't heard the term used in that way, doesn't mean that it isn't used in that way. You don't have experience with every human being on the planet.
EDIT: I see a certain post has been edited, since my comment.
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
That's right, The Punisher from 2004 was huge on DVD
Ben-ny.
It has been. Discretion is the better part of valor. Thought better than to hurt people's feelings.