Siwilliams
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Yeha, both are crap, my opinion
Punisher: Warzone is another flop
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Yeha, both are crap, my opinion
Whew; you almost crashed and burned with that one.
Done venting?
Well again, those were set in Batman's early years and he was still more or less learning. I was around when those books came out. I especially remember Knightfall coming out and it being a big deal that Batman got brutalized by Bane. That was one of the first times Batman got seriously owned. Because, like it or not, Batman's reputation is that of the guy who, like James Bond, is prepared for anything and can overcome anything he puts his mind to. I mean, come on, his utility belt was used so much for his solutions to problems back in the day it became a pop culture joke. That he had this belt that magically had a solution to any problem in it.
I would also point out that most of these examples you cite were written by Jeph Loeb and his interpretation tends to be more human then most interpret him. Well back in the day anyway. In recent years he started to write The Uber-Bat like everyone else.
There were a series of polls in The Sci-Fi/Fantasy forums awhile back. Who would win between Batman and James Bond, Batman and The Terminator, Batman, and yes, God. Batman won every single one. Every. Single. One. Yes, even the God one. And what was the rationale for picking Batman every time, "Well if he has enough time to prepare....". I rest my case.
Face facts. If his reputation is valid or not, well that doesn't really matter. What matters is that the reputation is there. It's always been apart of the character and it always will be.
Superman has heat vision he could smoke Batman with, or at the very least, incapacitate him with. They do this every time. They act like Superman's an idiot, because the writers and the fans clearly favor Batman, so Batman can completely own Clark. Thus a prime example of The Fanboy Powertrip Wetdream Complex in full effect. And somehow Batman always, always, always has kryptonite on him. No matter what. Like say, a kryptonite ring. Or a kryptonite arrow. Or an even worse example, Kryptonite boxing gloves. Yeah, that's right. Kryptonite boxing gloves.
Like how he has a plan to take out every member of The Justice League. Like he has a back up personality pre-programed into his psyche in case Bruce Wayne should fall. Like he more or less single-handedly defeated The Grey Martians by figuring out they were Martians in disguise and smoking them with fire, even though there was NO EVIDENCE at all they were Grey Martians. Like he can go toe-to-toe with Darkseid, and not only survive, but win. Like it was his plans that defeated the Bull Host of Heaven. So I guess he can defeat God. He can completely own Lady Shiva, the greatest martial artist of all time and the lady who trained him when he came back from his back injury, in 3 seconds flat. He can go toe-to-toe with Amazons and win. He can defeat an army of - get this - DOOMSDAYS, when Superman couldn't even handle one. If he's obviously this unbeatable and perfect, then why is he wasting his time on The Joker and Gotham City. He could be the savior of the whole Universe if he wanted to be.
Oh relax. I wasn't attacking the character or his fans. I was attacking the way the character has been presented. Wolverine is a thousand times worse. You know, how every woman in the MU wants him and no one is cooler or a better fighter then him and how "healing factor" now means "Super-Dupper Regeneration". I heard they dropped an Atomic Bomb on him and he still lived. Gimme a break.
Actually Frank does have code, just not a moral one. He doesn't kill cops(no matter how bent), superheros(no matter how annoying they are) or innocent people. Not out of any moral considerations. But because they aren't the enemy. If I were a bad guy I'd be way more scared of Frank then Bruce. I mean, what's Batman gonna do? Give me a black eye and send me back to Arkham so I can just escape and kill more innocent people next time?
From CHUD
Now I loved Rambo so if this reviewer and I are of the same mind then saying PWZ is as good or better is quite the statement.
I'm not that familar with The Village Voice but their reviewer liked it also.
Exactly. The vigilante movie was done to death thirty years ago with Death Wish. I like Punisher in the comics but he doesn't really translate anymore on the silver screen.
Rambo 4 was an action movie classic. That's high praise indeed.
Anyway you asked me about the Cap/Frank comparison. I don't think it's ever been said outright any where, but I think it's probably been implied sometimes. Personally I feel Cap is a better rival to Frank then Daredevil is, because he's his mirror image in every way. Ironically enough, they're both good friends with Nick Fury.
Cap wraps himself in Old Glory to inspire hope and courage and faith. Frank wraps himself in The Jolly Roger(ironically an old symbol of criminals) to impose fear, terror, and death.
Punisher: Warzone
Production Budget: $35 million
Domestic Total Gross: $8,050,977
Foreign: $871,010
Worldwide: $8,921,987
Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=punisher2.htm
Alternate Source: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/punisher_war_zone/
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Production Budget: $35 million
Domestic Total Gross: $8,050,977
Foreign: $871,010
Worldwide: $8,921,987
Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=punisher2.htm
Alternate Source: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/punisher_war_zone/
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It's too bad. I actually enjoyed it.
It opens here this week - be interesting to see how it does
Which is unfortunate cause I really liked it. They truly made a Punisher movie this time around and not a Punisher movie by way of a retooled Death Wish script which is what the '04 Jane version felt like.
I'll be buying it on DVD when it comes out to add to my shelf.
I'll be buying it on DVD when it comes out to add to my shelf.
Punisher: Warzone
Production Budget: $35 million
Domestic Total Gross: $8,050,977
Foreign: $871,010
Worldwide: $8,921,987
Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=punisher2.htm
Alternate Source: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/punisher_war_zone/
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Why the need to bump a 2 month old dead topic just to laugh at how badly something is doing? Did the Punisher fans piss in your breakfast or something?
Punisher: Warzone
Production Budget: $35 million
Domestic Total Gross: $8,050,977
Foreign: $871,010
Worldwide: $8,921,987
Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=punisher2.htm
Alternate Source: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/punisher_war_zone/
F L O P
Why the need to bump a 2 month old dead topic just to laugh at how badly something is doing? Did the Punisher fans piss in your breakfast or something?
I created the thread. Did you even read the entire thing? The answer is as clear as day. Besides, I just came back, since then.