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Public Grieving vs. Attention Whores

auntiehill

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In the early part of last month, my father passed away, after many years of very poor health. He had declined rapidly in the last few months, so I had been expecting the call and had mentally rehearsed for the moment. Granted, my father and I did not have a very pleasant relationship, so the level of loss I felt was somewhat less than other members of my family, and due to Alzheimer's, the person he was ceased to be a long time ago. My mother had been married him to him for nearly 64 years; even though his death wasn't a surprise, it was naturally still very difficult for her.

My oldest sister posted on social media of her great loss, how tragic it was for her, and how greatly she was suffering. She received hundreds of replies, offering support, condolences and sympathy. They were all addressed to her, expressed concern for her grief and how much her online friends loved her. My sister forwarded all of these--literally hundreds--to my mother for her to read. However, none of these people knew my parents at all. All they knew of my father was the obituary we posted in the paper; my sister had put the link on her social media pages.

This entire "spectacle" struck me as very...odd. My mother read some of them in silence and then asked if I wanted to see them. I said no, so she deleted them. Why would I want to see them? More importantly, why would my mother? This wasn't about my father, and it certainly wasn't about my mom. This was all about my sister being comforted by people online, most of who she either barely knew or never met face to face. My sister, the consummate narcissist, had made my father's passing entirely about her. I could only shake my head and walk away.

Now, a little over a month later, there has been a brutal murder of a police officer, and the city is reeling from this random act of violence. However, in the last week, a church has organized marathon walks to prove how their church is praying for the family, with their sacrifice of these miles-long walks. I know this because the church has invited the press to cover their activities, to show the members praying or walking several miles, for the family of the slain officer. Yet this is not the family's church, nor is this church raising funds for the family or the police. Meanwhile, groups have flocked to the scene of the crime to have huge vigils and sit-ins, particularly while the news crews are there, so they can all "offer their support and pray." Yet I doubt any of these people knew the officer, his family or his fellow officers. None of them are going to the funeral today or raising funds for them.

Putting my general disdain for religion aside (with great difficulty), I find myself really put off by all this public spectacle. I can understand how, in times of great crisis, people come together to find community and comfort, but when does "comfort seeking" become nothing more than selfish people trying to insert themselves into some event that has nothing whatsoever to do with them? I have the distinct impression that these massive prayer vigils and "mass grieving exercises" wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the news media's constant need for footage, for something to cover, as nothing new has developed in the story.

Back at my parent's house, my mother and I sat quietly while my sister went into full-blown hysterics, demanding to be comforted while she simultaneously collected all of my father's watches. "Oh my God, I can't deal with all this pain! I'll never hear his voice again!" *sniffle* "You don't mind if I take these, do you?"

When I look at all of these massive displays of public grief over a single, random incident--however tragic it might be--I feel like I'm watching hundreds of clones of my sister, demanding attention, wanting to make themselves feel bigger because they have connected themselves to something, inserted themselves into a tragedy in which they truly play no part whatsoever. This may make me seem cold or unfeeling but I find it terribly distasteful, self-centered and a little creepy.

Does anyone else feel this way? Is this a fairly American behavior or a simple fact of our times? Or perhaps I am simply too jaded from my own experiences.

*sorry for the long post
 
I really don't see anything wrong with public vigils. I think it shows a lot about a person's character to attend a service or pray for someone they don't know. Good for your community because the day that people stop holding those vigils for strangers is the day you have a community that no longer cares about other people.
 
I guess some people can emphasis greatly with someone losing a loved one, even if the don't know the deceased or the bereaved at all.

Some people are upset even over the death of a character from a book, TV show or movie even though they know it isn't real.

And I know I was helped by the people here when the real Miss Chicken died.
 
The outpourings of public display and vigils tend to come in response to events that make the community feel less secure or to make people realize, out of sheer randomness, that the deceased could just as easily have been them. Police murders, murders of people by the police, mass rampage killings or natural disasters or even just tragically completely random deaths that strike a public chord. That kind of collective grieving is a social coping mechanism as much as anything else; frankly I wish we saw more of it in some ways, people spend way too much time internalizing grief and trying to "tough it out" and TBH I don't think that's super-healthy. (And I say that as a person who inclines that way something fierce.)

Your remarks about your sister's grieving process strike me as describing something very different. For her friends on social media, it's of course a very low-cost way to show sympathy; fire off a message of condolence and that's it. I've done it in response to many social media messages about bereavement myself, it's a perfectly appropriate (but very limited) response when you know the bereaved even if you didn't know the deceased. Just like if someone responded to this thread to say "sorry for your loss." But it's nothing like actually going out to join a ceremonial expression of grief. (About your feelings of judgement or discomfort in re: your sister's grieving process, the only thing I can say is it's worth being super-duper careful about that. Maybe finding someone to talk through it with? Family members getting into it with each other about what the "correct" way to grieve is can get incredibly ugly and leave lasting rifts that take a long time to repair, I've seen examples of that in my own extended family.)
 
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I recall being befuddled by the public reaction to the death of Princess Diana, from the thousands of flowers left in the centre of cities to the strange applause as her coffin passed by and the public weeping for someone they had never met. Despite any good she did, the deifying of a manipulative and unfaithful wife (yes, I know her husband started it) by both press and public just seemed....wrong, and a dishonesty to her.

The mass displays of public grief were more about the grievers than the deceased. Imho, anyway.
 
There's a certain element of the Writing of Public Myth that goes on with these big mass funerals, of course, especially as regards public figures. We saw it with Nelson Mandela's funeral which completed his transmigration from the tough, scarring realpolitik that defined his life into an anodyne liberal secular-saint figure made up of inspirational quotes and a vague up-with-people-ness.
 
I recall being befuddled by the public reaction to the death of Princess Diana, from the thousands of flowers left in the centre of cities to the strange applause as her coffin passed by and the public weeping for someone they had never met. Despite any good she did, the deifying of a manipulative and unfaithful wife (yes, I know her husband started it) by both press and public just seemed....wrong, and a dishonesty to her.

The mass displays of public grief were more about the grievers than the deceased. Imho, anyway.


^I think I have spent too much time around people who purposely insert themselves into the center of every event--regardless of the circumstance--when it otherwise has nothing to do with them, has made me very, very wary. I automatically run the other direction from that desperate, "I have to be a part of this" mania. And, yes, my oldest sister insisted that I was not "grieving enough" for her satisfaction. Her opinion, however, means very little to me, so I'm not terribly bothered. My mother and I said nothing to her about her behavior; she's always been that way, so it's not new to us.

I have no problem with the expressions of condolences on social media but that fact that, in my case, they were addressed to someone else entirely meant, to me, that it was not connected to me. I know my mother found it odd as well.

Maybe growing up with a narcissist (a psychiatrist's opinion, not just mine) has made me far more uncomfortable with that type of attention-seeking.
 
And, yes, my oldest sister insisted that I was not "grieving enough" for her satisfaction . . . Maybe growing up with a narcissist (a psychiatrist's opinion, not just mine) has made me far more uncomfortable with that type of attention-seeking.

So it sounds like what's going on with her is a personality disorder, then. That's unfortunate and a tough thing to have to deal with in an already-tough situation. My sympathies.

But no, I wouldn't compare it to public or communalized grieving generally. Which is not to say that those displays can't be exploitative and problematic in their own ways.

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As I said in my post, I know it is entirely possible that my views are colored by my personal experiences. I have mentally pegged out certain behaviors as red flags, and the desperate need exhibited by these people freaks me the hell out.

When a beloved public figure passes, or a plane crashes, or some such, I cry, I watch the news with tissues in my hand, it will make me very sad for a day or two, but it would never cross my mind to go out and jump in front of news cameras to let the world know how sad I am. I can't wrap my mind around it.

I guess I'm just not wired that way.
 
I would think of it in the same way as, "Why do people go out to public protests?" I would hazard that very few of them ever think of getting on TV (as after all few of them will). It's more about gathering with people who are feeling the same way about a major event as you are.

That said, I've been to public protests but have never been tempted to go to a public funeral either.
 
In the early part of last month, my father passed away, after many years of very poor health. He had declined rapidly in the last few months, so I had been expecting the call and had mentally rehearsed for the moment. Granted, my father and I did not have a very pleasant relationship, so the level of loss I felt was somewhat less than other members of my family, and due to Alzheimer's, the person he was ceased to be a long time ago. My mother had been married him to him for nearly 64 years; even though his death wasn't a surprise, it was naturally still very difficult for her.

My oldest sister posted on social media of her great loss, how tragic it was for her, and how greatly she was suffering. She received hundreds of replies, offering support, condolences and sympathy. They were all addressed to her, expressed concern for her grief and how much her online friends loved her. My sister forwarded all of these--literally hundreds--to my mother for her to read. However, none of these people knew my parents at all. All they knew of my father was the obituary we posted in the paper; my sister had put the link on her social media pages.

This entire "spectacle" struck me as very...odd. My mother read some of them in silence and then asked if I wanted to see them. I said no, so she deleted them. Why would I want to see them? More importantly, why would my mother? This wasn't about my father, and it certainly wasn't about my mom. This was all about my sister being comforted by people online, most of who she either barely knew or never met face to face. My sister, the consummate narcissist, had made my father's passing entirely about her. I could only shake my head and walk away.

Now, a little over a month later, there has been a brutal murder of a police officer, and the city is reeling from this random act of violence. However, in the last week, a church has organized marathon walks to prove how their church is praying for the family, with their sacrifice of these miles-long walks. I know this because the church has invited the press to cover their activities, to show the members praying or walking several miles, for the family of the slain officer. Yet this is not the family's church, nor is this church raising funds for the family or the police. Meanwhile, groups have flocked to the scene of the crime to have huge vigils and sit-ins, particularly while the news crews are there, so they can all "offer their support and pray." Yet I doubt any of these people knew the officer, his family or his fellow officers. None of them are going to the funeral today or raising funds for them.

Putting my general disdain for religion aside (with great difficulty), I find myself really put off by all this public spectacle. I can understand how, in times of great crisis, people come together to find community and comfort, but when does "comfort seeking" become nothing more than selfish people trying to insert themselves into some event that has nothing whatsoever to do with them? I have the distinct impression that these massive prayer vigils and "mass grieving exercises" wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the news media's constant need for footage, for something to cover, as nothing new has developed in the story.

Back at my parent's house, my mother and I sat quietly while my sister went into full-blown hysterics, demanding to be comforted while she simultaneously collected all of my father's watches. "Oh my God, I can't deal with all this pain! I'll never hear his voice again!" *sniffle* "You don't mind if I take these, do you?"

When I look at all of these massive displays of public grief over a single, random incident--however tragic it might be--I feel like I'm watching hundreds of clones of my sister, demanding attention, wanting to make themselves feel bigger because they have connected themselves to something, inserted themselves into a tragedy in which they truly play no part whatsoever. This may make me seem cold or unfeeling but I find it terribly distasteful, self-centered and a little creepy.

Does anyone else feel this way? Is this a fairly American behavior or a simple fact of our times? Or perhaps I am simply too jaded from my own experiences.

*sorry for the long post
My take on it is that there is no objectively right or wrong way to grieve. Your way is right for you, and since nobody except you knows for sure how you feel, they don't have the moral right to say you're wrong.


Today would have my mother's 72nd birthday. She died last September, of cancer. We'd been estranged for many years, so when she knew her cancer was terminal she instructed her siblings not to tell me anything at all until she was dead. So I got an email that started out with "Dear ____: We knew this was coming. Your mother died yesterday."

To this day they don't understand why I'm upset that I wasn't at least told she was that sick, and why they thought it was pointless for me to tell my father. I was raised by his parents, and to my grandparents, informing family of things like this is a duty that is owed to them, and what they want to do after that is their own business. But they should at least be told.

And also to this day I have no idea if or when they decided to hold her memorial. They probably have, but nobody bothered to tell me about it.


So auntiehill, you need not let your sister criticize you for how you feel and how you express yourself in situations like these. I offer condolences to you for whatever good times you may have had with your father, and wish you positive thoughts in dealing with your family.

I recall being befuddled by the public reaction to the death of Princess Diana, from the thousands of flowers left in the centre of cities to the strange applause as her coffin passed by and the public weeping for someone they had never met. Despite any good she did, the deifying of a manipulative and unfaithful wife (yes, I know her husband started it) by both press and public just seemed....wrong, and a dishonesty to her.

The mass displays of public grief were more about the grievers than the deceased. Imho, anyway.
In the case of Diana, I think it was partly her fame and celebrity, and partly that she was seen as that "fairy tale princess" come to life, and the revelations about the reality of her personal life and her death brought the fairy tale to a screeching, abrupt end. I don't doubt that most of the people displaying grief were genuinely sad to some extent, but also to some extent they were grieving for a fantasy person they'd built up in their minds, someone who no longer existed.

Let's hope Kate and William live a good long life together, or I predict a similar public spectacle (not to mention more conspiracy theory nonsense).
 
I often think about the same thing Auntie..My loss was sudden..a bolt from the blue as some have said, I expressed my feelings online, and was heartened by the responses..

The funeral was nice, but the amount of people that showed up was a little disconcerting to me. Maybe I'm not used to Texas funerals, but people who never met me or my son showed up, expressing their sorrows to me and when asked, they simply told me that it was tragic and they wanted to show their support for the family. It seemed odd to me.

I really have no desire to visit a stranger's funeral, to me , I would be inserting myself into someone's private moment.


Just my two pennies..
 
The internet will only catch-on if there are billions of people on the planet who don't feel like they exist unless others are seeing them exist.

There is no right way to grieve. There is no right way to experience any emotion (though the internet will only further solidify the notion that there is... then build a Starbucks on your grave).
 
No, you're not alone. I tend to be rather reserved when it comes to my private life. If anything, I've done less online after losing my sets of grandparents. Part of me tends to retreat for awhile.

Though I did post here about my Grandfather when he passed away, but that was more in celebration of him and his life.
 
I just don't like it when others try to make their grief more important than others. I am more reserved too.
 
I might be a little weird, I had a thread about Miss Chicken's illness and death but never started a thread about my mother's and father's illnesses and deaths.
 
If somebody I loved was sick or dying, I might be tempted to start a thread about it. I have a lot of friends here and if someone I loved was hurting, I would probably seek solace about it. I don't think it's being an "attention whore" (I hate that phrase, BTW), more like just needing help in the grieving process.
 
People grieve in their own way and there is nothing wrong with expressing it but then there are some people who have an alliterative motive and I think that is what auntiehill is getting at.
 
I might be a little weird, I had a thread about Miss Chicken's illness and death but never started a thread about my mother's and father's illnesses and deaths.
It's not weird at all. It's how you chose to express your grief, and there is nobody in the world other than yourself who knows how you felt then (or now), who can say you were wrong to make these choices.
 
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