Led Zeppelin were hit-and-miss in acknowledging/attributing clear influences on their songs. This sometimes resulted in lawsuits or out-of-court settlements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Led_Zeppelin_songs_written_or_inspired_by_others
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Led Zeppelin were hit-and-miss in acknowledging/attributing clear influences on their songs. This sometimes resulted in lawsuits or out-of-court settlements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Led_Zeppelin_songs_written_or_inspired_by_others
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I did link Anna Calvi who, funny enough, is also a singer-songwriter and certainly does not make overly polished music that lacks character. The same goes for a lot of post-rock stuff.
And is Godspeed You! Black Emperor boring easy-listening rock? They're still around.
Right, I thought so.
Since when do all singer-songwriters do folk music? That's absurd.
Yeah, just like every genre.
And? What's your point?
If the polished mainstream stuff annoys you, listen to something else. There's plenty of stuff out there.
I suppose I don't see your problem. The rock genre is huge.
Quite honestly to me it just feels like you don't know the genre very well. I'm sure you'll find good stuff if you keep looking and become more knowledgeable.
Or, you know, maybe you won't find anything because you simply don't like rock music (anymore?).
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Rock was pretty much founded by singer songwriters: Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis and Roy Orbison come to mind.
I am convinced of one thing, the rock music format has exhausted itself, drums, bass and guitars, ther
Omg! I don't know the genre very well??! Hahahahaha!!!! Your attempt at a dig backfires m'lady. I'm a rock musician who has listened to rock since I was born! I know my God Speed You Black Emperors to my Reverend Bizarres, from my ATDIs to my Funkadelics, Gojiras Yeah Yeah Yeahs and St Vincents (come to think of it St Vincent is the only other artist I like from this decade apart from Ghost, Armenian Space Station and Animals as Leaders). You're just nitpicking at words and phrases and willfully misreading me. No, singer songwriters mostly write ass. That's a fact, I come from the land of singer songwriters, and it's like country for me (not all genres are created equally), 99% of it is ass. No, yet again, I'm talking also about modern unknown bands, there's too much of an emphasis on production, take black metal for example, the original production values were terrible but ye gods, there was vitality in it, compare it to now where every drum beat is perfectly quantised and every guitar track is eq'd the shit out of it.
Absolutely not, if Chuck Berry is a singer songwriter, then so is Trent Reznor, which would be absurd. Ugh, I'm bored of this discussion. All it has demonstrated is that rock mostly sucks these days.
I did link Anna Calvi who, funny enough, is also a singer-songwriter and certainly does not make overly polished music that lacks character. The same goes for a lot of post-rock stuff.
And is Godspeed You! Black Emperor boring easy-listening rock? They're still around.
Right, I thought so.
Since when do all singer-songwriters do folk music? That's absurd.
Yeah, just like every genre.
And? What's your point?
If the polished mainstream stuff annoys you, listen to something else. There's plenty of stuff out there.
I suppose I don't see your problem. The rock genre is huge.
Quite honestly to me it just feels like you don't know the genre very well. I'm sure you'll find good stuff if you keep looking and become more knowledgeable.
Or, you know, maybe you won't find anything because you simply don't like rock music (anymore?).
Omg! I don't know the genre very well??! Hahahahaha!!!! Your attempt at a dig backfires m'lady. I'm a rock musician who has listened to rock since I was born! I know my God Speed You Black Emperors to my Reverend Bizarres, from my ATDIs to my Funkadelics, Gojiras Yeah Yeah Yeahs and St Vincents (come to think of it St Vincent is the only other artist I like from this decade apart from Ghost, Armenian Space Station and Animals as Leaders). You're just nitpicking at words and phrases and willfully misreading me. No, singer songwriters mostly write ass. That's a fact, I come from the land of singer songwriters, and it's like country for me (not all genres are created equally), 99% of it is ass. No, yet again, I'm talking also about modern unknown bands, there's too much of an emphasis on production, take black metal for example, the original production values were terrible but ye gods, there was vitality in it, compare it to now where every drum beat is perfectly quantised and every guitar track is eq'd the shit out of it.
Absolutely not, if Chuck Berry is a singer songwriter, then so is Trent Reznor, which would be absurd. Ugh, I'm bored of this discussion. All it has demonstrated is that rock mostly sucks these days.
Bye now.
David Bowie released a great rock album this year right before his death.
Another really good rock album was released by Savages. Lucinda Williams released a really good country rock album.
Just because a song isn't being karaoked on The Voice doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Another really good rock album was released by Savages. Lucinda Williams released a really good country rock album.
Just because a song isn't being karaoked on The Voice doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
As a rock music lover with a previously significantly reductive view of music as a whole, I now readily believe that the rock "genre" is alive, kicking and stomping its way through to infinity.
In the US rock music outsold its nearest "competitor" R&B by nearly 50 million units (albums) in 2014 and has, in a ever worrying decline, seen significantly lower drops in overall sales from 2008.
There is a MASS of rock music out there, but limiting oneself to styles reduces the chances of sheer surprise and delight. I used to be full on Prog music only and so jaded back in 2000-or-so with the move towards industrial and electronic sounds I dropped off the music radar almost completely. 15 years later and my hubris has been countered and I have found swathes of music which tingles the ears, some of which I would never have given a seconds worth of time to in the past just because it did not fit my proscribed idea of what "rock music" was to me.
My latest unveiling has been Jack Garrett. Weird little fella that plays too many instruments at once, stretching and morphing the boundaries of the one-man-band shows that used to busk out on UK city streets back in the 80's and 90's. He's not full on rock, but he knows the axe and how to write a tune:
Hugo - don't you worry 'bout it
In the US rock music outsold its nearest "competitor" R&B by nearly 50 million units (albums) in 2014 and has, in a ever worrying decline, seen significantly lower drops in overall sales from 2008.
There is a MASS of rock music out there, but limiting oneself to styles reduces the chances of sheer surprise and delight. I used to be full on Prog music only and so jaded back in 2000-or-so with the move towards industrial and electronic sounds I dropped off the music radar almost completely. 15 years later and my hubris has been countered and I have found swathes of music which tingles the ears, some of which I would never have given a seconds worth of time to in the past just because it did not fit my proscribed idea of what "rock music" was to me.
My latest unveiling has been Jack Garrett. Weird little fella that plays too many instruments at once, stretching and morphing the boundaries of the one-man-band shows that used to busk out on UK city streets back in the 80's and 90's. He's not full on rock, but he knows the axe and how to write a tune:
Hugo - don't you worry 'bout it
Not sure that's fair. Quite a few artists on the show are professional musicians, attempting to make a living by gigging, doing session work and putting out self distributed music. Some have put music on hold because of family and other commitments. Occasionally they even pull a left field song choice.
This guy made it to the finale
He doesn't look or sound like a pop star, And old school blues isn't exactly top 10 material these days.
I'm no expert but he seems to be a good player.
When I write a song, i'm not writing in a genre at all, I write a melody, a chord progression, lyrics, and THEN I decide how to perform it.
So in that sense, as far as my songwriting goes, there is no such thing as a rock song, just a rock performance of a song.
Anybody heard Ryan Adams' 1989 album? There's an excellent example of how to take an album of pop songs and perform them as rock songs, and in doing so reveal what very well written songs they are.
So in that sense, as far as my songwriting goes, there is no such thing as a rock song, just a rock performance of a song.
Anybody heard Ryan Adams' 1989 album? There's an excellent example of how to take an album of pop songs and perform them as rock songs, and in doing so reveal what very well written songs they are.
That's so true. I don't know how it is with most musicians, but I doubt the genre is the first thing decided, unless of course you write with a certain genre in mind. But for the most part, I think a song can often take on a life of its own.
But that's a great example. I guess that's more or less why I'm more impressed with covers that don't copy the original verbatim, but rather when performers add their own twists to them, or even certain cases transpose them to entirely different genres. My favourite example of this is PostmodernJukebox's cover of "Sweet Child of Mine". It's so rock-n-roll!
But that's a great example. I guess that's more or less why I'm more impressed with covers that don't copy the original verbatim, but rather when performers add their own twists to them, or even certain cases transpose them to entirely different genres. My favourite example of this is PostmodernJukebox's cover of "Sweet Child of Mine". It's so rock-n-roll!
And so THIS is what you think qualifies you to pass judgement on music as though your opinion is the word of god? I've been listening to "rock music" "since I was born" as well. From reading this thread, I'de say I've been listening to the music about 30 years or so longer than you. I also play "rock music" on guitar, so it sounds like I may "outrank" you, I mean if we're using this stuff as criteria for the weight our opinions should carry in the thread.
Yeah, it's 'Funkadelic", already plural.
How is Chuck Berry, who wrote and sang his own songs, NOT a singer songwriter?
I love that artwork. I wish that artist had done some illustrations with Hoadley
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A man after my own heart. Do not look to the charts. You will not find anything of substance there. My opinion? This is our culture come home to roost. Take a very simple lyric in a country song, I enjoy, called "Mama's Broken Heart," by Miranda Lambert:
"I numbed the pain at the expense of my liver..."
This requires an understanding of the effect of alcohol on the body. It never mentions a drink, a brand of alcohol, and it paints a picture. The person is, for one, in pain. If you are not paying attention in school, maybe listening to Taylor Swift say the words, "Shake it off" for the 1,856,856th time in 4 minutes, you will hear that lyric and say "What the hell is she talking about?" and turn it off.
This culture is valuing ignorance. Today, some 5 years after the lyric was written, on the country charts, it would be:
"I drank some alcohol to escape the pain of my breakup."
Blunt. Simple. Lacks poetry.
I pay attention to this genre, Country, because of my desire to hear actual instruments over good lyrics. For the uninitiated, there has been a war in Country music for some time. Bro Country, as it has been termed, is about a dirt road, a pretty girl, and getting drunk and laid. Each song could be a carbon copy of the last, and the influence of pop and rap could not be more felt. When Alan Jackson, who has been a successful Country artist for 30 years, came out in 2013 and called Luke Bryan's "That's My Kind of Night," the worst-written number-one song he has ever heard, the shit hitteth the fan. Blake Shelton came out and said that each song is like a baby, and shouldn't be insulted. He said old men weren't buying country music, and they should let Country "evolve" in order for it to "survive. Luke Bryan declared this is how he lives his life, and he was in his backyard, on a boat, when he heard Jackson's comments. Zac Brown Band joined with Alan Jackson in saying there are too many songs that are about getting drunk and laid in country music. They all sound the same.
Enter Maddie and Tae and Kelsea Ballerini. Both the group, and the solo artist, I just mentioned, hit number one with songs that spoke out against Bro Country Standards, with "Girl in a Country Song," and "Love Me Like You Mean It," respectively. The fact that a solo female artist not named Carrie Underwood, Miranda Lambert, or Taylor Swift hadn't been on the Country charts at number one, since 2004's Redneck Woman by Gretchen Wilson (this happened in 2015), started another controversy. A record executive called women artists in Country music, the "Tomatoes in the salad of Country Music," the implication being that they are less important than the lettuce, the men. Brandy Clark, Jennifer Nettles, Kacey Musgraves, Ashley Monroe, Miranda Lambert, The PIstol Annies--they are writing much better songs, and performing them with actual vocal nuance, over someone like Luke Bryan or Jason Aldean.
Then, the third controversy. Little Big Town came out with a song called "Girl Crush." According to the Washington Post, the song was being boycotted off Country radio. Now, the song is about jealousy. The girl crush is from her having the man she wants. But that didn't stop rednecks from telling radio stations they don't want to listen to them pushing the "Gay Agenda" while driving their kids to school. This shows a lack of understanding on the part of fans.
The goal of this business is not to write a song for posterity--it's to make money. And, if the audience can't understand a simple message like "Girl Crush," they won't understand any of the songs, or their purpose, of the women artist I just named. This starts with the fans, followed by DJs, and then the artists responding to the market. It's about education. The more we reject it, call school a drag, don't pay attention, the stupider we become. Art doesn't have a place in the marketplace, you can't add without a calculator, and the entire world suffers. Nothing worth remembering of our culture, as time passes.
Some examples:
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