Proof That Oscar Voters Are Clueless About Animation

[JarodRussell]

The animation category is flawed in itself. There a HUGE technical differences between drawn animation, claymation, stop motion, 2d computer animation, 3d computer animation, etc... . That forces you to only judge them by the traditional high-level aspects like story, atmosphere, etc.... And that eventually boils down for most to "I liked it. It was entertaining. Vote." And then there's movies like Avatar that completely break the boundary between Live Action and Animation.

I think the category should be reconsidered. Times have changed.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Anime is also different in technique. With a lot of anime, the voice acting is done after the animation's done (with some exceptions like Akira) instead of before, hence the mouth cycle being sort of bland.

 

[Marsden]

I think there are a lot of valid points here, but this is not unique to animated films. In any given year, the damn near entirety of the nominations (perhaps with the exception of the technical awards) could be replaced with better and more deserving independent films from the U.S. as well as around the world.

The studios campaign for Oscar nominations and votes the same way that politicians do and often the movies that have the most money thrown behind them during this campaign are the winners. Michael Keaton did not win best actor because he didn't play the campaign game.

The only Oscars that matter to me are The Grouch and Madison. The snobs that like to hand each other golden statues can my with their

 

[Hound of UIster]

Anime is also different in technique. With a lot of anime, the voice acting is done after the animation's done (with some exceptions like Akira) instead of before, hence the mouth cycle being sort of bland.

That is more due to most anime being done on the cheap with only a fraction of the budgets you have in most Western cartoons.

 

[zakkrusz]

Anime is also different in technique. With a lot of anime, the voice acting is done after the animation's done (with some exceptions like Akira) instead of before, hence the mouth cycle being sort of bland.

That is more due to most anime being done on the cheap with only a fraction of the budgets you have in most Western cartoons.

True, however in trade-off you get more variety of genres and demographics in your stories and shows that will tackle subject matter US animation wouldn't touch. Not a bad deal.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

^Not bad at all, and on the plotting point, something that I wish North American animation firms would try to emulate.

What we need to see in North American animation is an adult storyline combined with CGI animation to produce a movie that's more than just cute animals (or cute people) doing things. I'd also love to see North American animation try to do more realistic CGI like that done with DAZ Studio/Poser/Carrera and break the whole 'uncanny valley' thing to bits, but I'm probably just wishing in the dark on that.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Looks like Amid's back to form:

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-r...nt-just-tough-its-illegally-harsh-110074.html

 

[Shaka Zulu]

^Amid will most likely say (spin) this as being a good thing, since to him and most others at that site, North American animation is shit anyway.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Another review of anime from Cartoonbrew's old days:


: TOKYO GODFATHERS: Like Satoshi Kon's earlier film MILLENNIUM ACTRESS, this
opening night film of the festival also whisked me away into a deep slumber.
But that's not the surprise. Following the film, I ran into animation legend
Ray Harryhausen at the opening night party, and we chatted for a bit. He asked
me what I had thought of TOKYO GODFATHERS and I admitted that I fell asleep
during the film. Ray then gave his review of the film, and in the process
showed me why he's a legend: because he has great taste. Ray said there was
absolutely no reason to produce GODFATHERS in animation because it didn't take
advantage of the medium. He also pondered why the filmmakers had designed all
the characters to be so unappealing and ugly. I didn't think there was any way
I could have more respect for Ray Harryhausen than I already did, but he showed
me a way.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Also another insulting article

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/cartoon-culture/2-d-lovers-of-another-kind-15315.html

 

[Doctorwhovian]

http://www.animationnation.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=4309

 

[Doctorwhovian]

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/anime/anime-is-dying-11843.html

 

[Hound of UIster]

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/anime/anime-is-dying-11843.html

I was also surprised to read that 90% of their animation work is outsourced to countries like China and the Philippines. Maybe the US animation industry isn’t that bad after all.

And he is considered an animation expert?

How the fuck could he not know this or about the common labor abuse happening in the animation studios?

 

[Neroon]

Another review of anime from Cartoonbrew's old days:


: TOKYO GODFATHERS: Like Satoshi Kon's earlier film MILLENNIUM ACTRESS, this
opening night film of the festival also whisked me away into a deep slumber.
But that's not the surprise. Following the film, I ran into animation legend
Ray Harryhausen at the opening night party, and we chatted for a bit. He asked
me what I had thought of TOKYO GODFATHERS and I admitted that I fell asleep
during the film. Ray then gave his review of the film, and in the process
showed me why he's a legend: because he has great taste. Ray said there was
absolutely no reason to produce GODFATHERS in animation because it didn't take
advantage of the medium. He also pondered why the filmmakers had designed all
the characters to be so unappealing and ugly. I didn't think there was any way
I could have more respect for Ray Harryhausen than I already did, but he showed
me a way.

Also another insulting article

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/cartoon-culture/2-d-lovers-of-another-kind-15315.html

http://www.animationnation.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=4309

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/anime/anime-is-dying-11843.html

Infraction for spamming. 4 consecutive posts? Sorry, but you can use the Edit or Multi-quote functions in this situation.

Comments to PM

 

[Shaka Zulu]

http://www.animationnation.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=4309

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/anime/anime-is-dying-11843.html

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/anime/anime-is-dying-11843.html

While I'm sure that's all very nice, people's opinions can change, and Amidi's sure has about anime.

I was also surprised to read that 90% of their animation work is outsourced to countries like China and the Philippines. Maybe the US animation industry isn’t that bad after all.

And he is considered an animation expert?

How the fuck could he not know this or about the common labor abuse happening in the animation studios?[/QUOTE]

It's your typical internet site, which has very little professionalism, but lots of sensationalism (and in the case of Cartoon Brew, snobbery.)

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Well I've seen three of the films now, I'd rank them:
1) Boxtrolls
2) Big hero 6
3) How to train your dragon 2

I didn't know a single thing about the Boxtrolls but it was a fun animatronic type animation and pretty underrated apparently given the lack of any buzz around it. I need to go hunt for Kaguya, from the trailers it looks really different not to just most anime but even Ghibli itself.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

^Unless your city or town has a artsy-orientated theater, you'll have to rent or buy The Boxtrolls and The Tale Of Princess Kaguya on DVD, or seen them on Netflix.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^ Yeah, I've just been renting the DVDs