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PROMETHEUS - Grade and Discuss

Prometheus - Poll

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http://www.projectprometheus.com/genesis/

Surprise, surprise. From the looks of Dr. Shaw's own notes, the Engineers were still visiting Earth AFTER the 'event' of 2000 years ago - mainly in the Central/South Americas. Maybe after their bioweapon blew up in their faces on LV-223, they decided to give us one more try on the other side of the world? (BTW, the Mayan glyphs obviously translate to "Meet Your Maker.")

Interesting to note the Engineers seemed even taller in the ancient period than they were in Prometheus - neatly fitting with the Jockey on LV-426 being far larger than the one in this film. Actually, there may have been TWO kinds of Engineers if those Toltec figurines are any clue - Large (Prometheus) and Super-Sized (Alien).

LV-426 is definitely in the same star system as LV-223. Wonder why the Prometheus didn't pick up the warning call?

Never noticed until now that Shaw's video message to Weyland was 15 years before the events of the film.
 
Warped9 said:
doubleohfive said:
Here's the review link again: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

It's long, but worth the read I think.
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Okay, got it. Yes, that one I remember. It was one of the first I read. Yep, that was very interesting. I'm not sure I agree with all of it, but it made me want to see the movie again soon because I'm sure as much as I already enjoyed I'm sure I missed some things along the way.
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So the black shit is...

mood slime
? :lol:
 
Shape-Shifter said:
How dare I have too much of a life to follow everything film producers say to explain issues in their films! ;-)

But, thanks for the info.
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My friends and I came out of the film thinking the same thing last week. It wasn't until later, after I'd checked my assumptions about LV-223 did I realize it wasn't the same planet from Alien and Aliens.

doubleohfive said:
Here's the review link again: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

It's long, but worth the read I think.
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That was well-worth the read, even in light of Nightowl1701's post, it's still an interesting exploration of the film's themes and remains relevant to discussion about Prometheus. It's been recommended to me by friends in two different groups -- in addition to TrekBBS -- so it's definitely well-regarded.

Nightowl1701 said:
http://www.projectprometheus.com/genesis/

Surprise, surprise. From the looks of Dr. Shaw's own notes, the Engineers were still visiting Earth AFTER the 'event' of 2000 years ago - mainly in the Central/South Americas. Maybe after their bioweapon blew up in their faces on LV-223, they decided to give us one more try on the other side of the world? (BTW, the Mayan glyphs obviously translate to "Meet Your Maker.")

Interesting to note the Engineers seemed even taller in the ancient period than they were in Prometheus - neatly fitting with the Jockey on LV-426 being far larger than the one in this film. Actually, there may have been TWO kinds of Engineers if those Toltec figurines are any clue - Large (Prometheus) and Super-Sized (Alien).

LV-426 is definitely in the same star system as LV-223. Wonder why the Prometheus didn't pick up the warning call?

Never noticed until now that Shaw's video message to Weyland was 15 years before the events of the film.
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Very interesting. Thanks!
 
Just because the two planets start with "LV" doesn't mean they're anywhere remotely close to one another.

I didn't notice that these Engineers weren't as big as the corpse in "Alien". Interesting.

My theory on the change is either A) younger races turned on the Engineers, or B) the Engineers had a civil war and were using the bioweapon on each other. The one side was anti-creation and was destroying the worlds created by the pro-creators.
 
RoJoHen said:
None of the characters got any kind of development.
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None? At all? We find out Shaw's father died. We find out she cannot have children. There are two examples of how her character was developed.

Why did the Aliens draw a map to a star system if the only thing there was a weapon intended to destroy us?
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If I recall, wasn't there more than one star in the drawing?
 
On another tangent, anyone else find the Coors Light Prometheus commercial one of the strangest cross-promotions ever?
 
Mr Light said:
Just because the two planets start with "LV" doesn't mean they're anywhere remotely close to one another.
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Shaw's notebook: "This pictograph is an exact model of the Zeta Reticuli system. Appears to point to Zeta 2."

Lambert, Alien: "Found it! We're just short of Zeta 2 Reticuli. Haven't even reached the Outer Rim yet."

Both films feature two small planetoids orbiting a large ringed gas planet. If it ain't the same star system, it's the next door neighbor to it.
 
It could be the ship that Shaw and David took was the ship in Alien. We don't know if there was dead Enginneer in the control room of that ship. Some how the ship could have crashed on LV-426, shaw and david could have sent a distress call. Shaw could still have been inffected and some how breeding an alien that kills her and David and spawns the facehuggers in the lower levels. Another story perhaps.. :)
 
Warped9 said:
That's the problem. This movie provided absolutely no answers.
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And? One can say the same thing of virtually every Arthur C. Clarke story ever written. That's not a problem, but a touch of realism.

davejames said:
I think the decision to destroy us came a lot later, after whatever we did pissed them off.

Or maybe they don't really care about us one way or another, and just wanted to use our planet as another factory site.
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I'm thinking that maybe Earth was already a factory site, and that we simply didn't turn out to be as good of a weapon as the Engineers had hoped we'd be. I'm figuring that Earth was just another testing ground, and humanity just another bio-engineered weapon. And while we're as lethal as they wanted us to be, we started deviating from our intended purpose by evolving into something more than mere predators: by learning all sorts of non-weapony things like creating cave paintings, and forming rudimentary philosophies, and ethics, and culture, etc.


Another thing... several people have questioned why Weyland apparently ordered David to infect Halloway. The thing is, why do so many assume that Weyland had anything to do with it in the first place? It's pretty clear to me from David's conversation with Halloway about their various creators, that David has some sort of pseudo-emotional resentment of humanity, and his creator in particular. (Note how he flinches when Weyland later dismisses him as having no soul, and it's kind'a hard to not accept this resentment as genuine.) I'm fairly sure that a number of David's actions are the result of a personal agenda that Weyland is most likely completely un-aware of.


As for those who've been complaining about the way the one scientist messes with the snake-creature... What possible reason would he have to suspect a creature as flimsy looking as that could ever possibly be a threat to someone in a heavy environment suit? And it was pretty clear to me that the main reason he was cooing over it as one might treat a puppy, was because he was fucking with his companion, who he felt was being a total chickenshit.
 
Tom said:
It could be the ship that Shaw and David took was the ship in Alien. We don't know if there was dead Enginneer in the control room of that ship. Some how the ship could have crashed on LV-426, shaw and david could have sent a distress call. Shaw could still have been inffected and some how breeding an alien that kills her and David and spawns the facehuggers in the lower levels. Another story perhaps.. :)
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That...could actually work. :) Repaired or not, it's hard to believe David would be able to flawlessly pilot an unfamiliar alien vessel that's been dormant for thousands of years. (Shaw would be in cryosleep when the ship crashes.)

The eggs could already be down in the hold w/o Shaw and David even knowing it. No need to re-infect Shaw. Just have the Engineers respond to the distress call first and pick Shaw/David up, without anyone going down in the cargo hold. Even better, all this could happen in the first fifteen minutes of the film. One shot of the fossilized pilot with the blown-out chest, one glimpse of the cargo hold as Shaw/David leave with the Engineers - BOOM. You've fully set up Alien, and now Ridley Scott can get on with the story he wants to be telling.
 
TremblingBluStar said:
Set Harth said:
http://www.geekosystem.com/ndgt-prometheus-bad-math/

Scott is turning into Lucas.

First the whole prequel thing and now this.
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Yes, because the only thing wrong with the SW prequels was a single throwaway line that got a number wrong! :lol:
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I was thinking of the OT. There's no line in the prequels that "got a number wrong" in the sense of the Prometheus math mistake.

And I didn't say Scott was Lucas. I said he's turning into Lucas. This process takes time.
 
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