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Yeah, come on Set. :rolleyes: :thumbdown: Ridley may have lost a step over the years, but George Lucas he is not. And after K.W. Jeter's ridiculous three book "sequels" (excuse me - :barf:), I can't see Ridley doing any worse. Certainly not enough to ruin the first film.
 
Trust me, if there was a number I could call, I'd already be on it.
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A couple more thoughts on on the WTF scientists.

First I reiterate that there is no proof that these so called scientist are real scientist. They still could be mercenaries/security and the Prometheus may have been secretly armed but only Weyland or David knew the full extant (they were able to hide a very old billionaire).

I'm not sure why you think that mercenaries who run like scared children at the sight of a 2,000 year old dead body, get lost while in possession of mapping robots and an active comlink, and play pull my finger with space cobras is somehow a significant improvement. You've just substituted two people who really suck at their jobs and behave irrationally with two more people who really suck at their jobs and behave irrationally, with the added suckiness of them now leaving the very people they were supposed to protect or observe if they were mercs.

Also, Prometheus had armed security personnel (mercenaries) who identified themselves as such and were going to accompany the scientists into the temple with guns until Drs. Shaw and Holloway gave the order not to. They were the guys who were shooting at zombie Fifield later on in the movie. So, why do Shaggy and Scooby need to be mercenaries too?

Second, these people may literally be the bottom of the barrel. Like today, maybe people in the future don't take the idea of Ancient Alien seriously. Even if you offered them a ton of money most competent scientists aren't going to risk their reputations.
The Blunder Twins (Millburn and Fifield) didn't know they were dealing with ancient astronauts until they had already arrived at LV-223. It played no part in their decision to go on the mission, and in Fifield's case, he explicitly said he was in it for the money.

I also would think that recruiting competent scientists for what is at this point a revolutionary space mission to another world -- even if you leave aside the whole alien aspect -- should be no trouble at all. Realistically, people would be jumping at the chance.

Third, there is mental diagnosis called Adjustment disorder which is basically the inability to deal with new circumstances. Most cases lead to a temporary depression but in a few extreme cases it can lead to psychosis. Plus who knows what hibernation does to the mind.
None of this makes sense when you have the CEO of the company who is a true believer along for the ride. You don't choose psychologically unstable incompetents for key positions on the extremely risky and groundbreaking mission you are also going on. They tend to hire experienced personnel and then rigorously test for these kinds of psychological problems with endless simulation, medical testing, and psych profiles. Can people slip through the cracks? Sure, but that's extremely rare.

As far as the hibernation goes, that's a possibility, but it just seems like you keep grasping at straws to try and explain what were really just terribly written characters.

If only he would drop dead before he ruins Blade Runner.

Trust me, if there was a number I could call, I'd already be on it.

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Even with my disappointment with Prometheus and Scott's rather lackluster films of the past several years, I'm still looking forward to seeing what he plans to do with the new Blade Runner movie (although I won't get my hopes up so much like I did this time). I know some people feel that disappointing sequels/prequels/remakes take away from the source material, but that stuff doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the originals. I still love the Star Wars OT (pre-alteration versions) just as much as I did before the Prequels came along. And for all its many faults, I do appreciate the amount of new material and discussion Prometheus has infused the Alien universe with. I've done more reading and theorizing on the Alien franchise since Prometheus came out than I've done in twenty years.
 
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...Scott's rather lackluster films of the past several years...
Body of Lies and American Gangster were pretty good, IMO. I even liked A Good Year. That movie had some undeniable charm. And Russel Crowe was pretty damn awesome in all three of these. Robin Hood was crap, though.
 
...Scott's rather lackluster films of the past several years...
Body of Lies and American Gangster were pretty good, IMO. I even liked A Good Year. That movie had some undeniable charm. And Russel Crowe was pretty damn awesome in all three of these. Robin Hood was crap, though.

Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.
 
Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.

Because of his clout Scott largely had final approval on what went on screen (plus control of the editing) and was involved in the initial script with Spaihts and the rewrite process along with Lindelof. He writes extremely detailed storyboards with elaborate drawings of what he wants to see onscreen and dialogue and plot ideas which were incorporated into the script. He was the one who came up with the whole Space Jesus idea and some of the other mythology. He was as much responsible for the script as they were, since this was his baby; his pet project. To absolve him of responsibility for the poor quality of the characters and plot and dump it entirely in Lindelof's lap is inaccurate and unfair. He knew what was happening as he filmed it, and if there was a problem in his eyes he could have ordered a change to the script.
 
If this is to be the first of a possible trilogy, the only thing I'd worry about is Ridley Scott. Sorry to be ageist, but he's 74 now. Isn't he doing Blade Runner 2 next, or at some point at least. Thus I can't see Prometheus 2 coming out till 2016 or so. And then to do a possible third one as well.
Ha I'm not saying he's gonna drop dead at any minute, but I would just hope they got completed is all
Clint Eastwood is still knocking them out in his 80s.
 
Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.

Because of his clout Scott largely had final approval on what went on screen (plus control of the editing) and was involved in the initial script with Spaihts and the rewrite process along with Lindelof. He writes extremely detailed storyboards with elaborate drawings of what he wants to see onscreen and dialogue and plot ideas which were incorporated into the script. He was the one who came up with the whole Space Jesus idea and some of the other mythology. He was as much responsible for the script as they were, since this was his baby; his pet project. To absolve him of responsibility for the poor quality of the characters and plot and dump it entirely in Lindelof's lap is inaccurate and unfair. He knew what was happening as he filmed it, and if there was a problem in his eyes he could have ordered a change to the script.

But money limits everything and everyone.
 
Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.

Because of his clout Scott largely had final approval on what went on screen (plus control of the editing) and was involved in the initial script with Spaihts and the rewrite process along with Lindelof. He writes extremely detailed storyboards with elaborate drawings of what he wants to see onscreen and dialogue and plot ideas which were incorporated into the script. He was the one who came up with the whole Space Jesus idea and some of the other mythology. He was as much responsible for the script as they were, since this was his baby; his pet project. To absolve him of responsibility for the poor quality of the characters and plot and dump it entirely in Lindelof's lap is inaccurate and unfair. He knew what was happening as he filmed it, and if there was a problem in his eyes he could have ordered a change to the script.

But money limits everything and everyone.

It wouldn't have cost more money to have made sure the characters in Prometheus didn't resemble Abbot and Costello when writing the first draft.
 
The fetish for the director as the supposed main creator causes some of these problems. Scott, as we know from his notorious non-comprehension of Blade Runner, is not the sharpest tool in the box. So if he takes too many liberties, the thinking gets screwed up. Another part of the problem is the idea that because movies are visual media (forgetting they are audiovisual,) and one picture is a thousand words, that means the creation of pictures (as in storyboards) is the key to creating a movie. Unfortunately, by a perversion of math, a thousand words is worth more than a million pictures when it comes to communicating ideas.
 
...Scott's rather lackluster films of the past several years...
Body of Lies and American Gangster were pretty good, IMO. I even liked A Good Year. That movie had some undeniable charm. And Russel Crowe was pretty damn awesome in all three of these. Robin Hood was crap, though.

Let's just face it, the stupid script is not Ridley's fault.

Feature filmmaking is the realm of the Director. He has final say on a script.

They also say a script is written three times. 1. By the writer. 2. On set. 3. In the editing room. Scott has control of 2 of 3 of those. (And a great deal of control over #1.)

It is absolutely his fault. It's not like he was some hired hand. It's HIS movie. HIS vision.
 
I really want to see the Special features and Commentary on the disc release as much as seeing the film again on BluRay.
 
If there was any sense in this world, Lindelof would have difficulties finding employment in Hollywood after this. This was a potentially great movie that was single-handedly ruined by a terrible script.
 
Feature filmmaking is the realm of the Director. He has final say on a script.

They also say a script is written three times. 1. By the writer. 2. On set. 3. In the editing room. Scott has control of 2 of 3 of those. (And a great deal of control over #1.)

It is absolutely his fault. It's not like he was some hired hand. It's HIS movie. HIS vision.


Wikipedia said:
By July 2009, Scott was attached to direct the film, and screenwriter Jon Spaihts was hired to pen the script based on his pitched idea for a direct Alien prequel.[40][60] With both director and writer in place, and pleased with Spaihts's pitch, Fox scheduled a release date for December 2011, but this was eventually dropped.[61] In June 2010, Scott announced that the script was complete and that pre-production would begin, with a filming date set for January 2011.[62] However, by July 2010, Lindelof had been hired to redevelop Spaihts's screenplay into a more original work.[63][64] In October 2010, Lindelof submitted his refined screenplay to Fox. The studio was pleased because it had contested Scott's proposed budget of $150–160 million and found Lindelof's screenplay to be more budget-conscious;[citation needed] Scott had initially requested a $250 million budget and an adult oriented product, but Fox was reluctant to invest this amount of money, and wanted to ensure the film would receive a lower age-rating to broaden the potential audience.[65]

If that's true, it shows that Lindelof was pretty much imposed on Scott and that Scott didn't have the final word in this production. Those who have the money call the shots.
 
As director I'm sure that Ridley Scott had a say in the cut of the movie that hit the theater, so I do think it's possible that the deleted scenes and/or director's cut on the DVDs could make more sense of the movie.
 
I saw it in 3-D this week and really enjoyed the film.
I think the 3-D only added a lot to about 20% of the film. Maybe I'll see it again at the cinema in 2-D.
The production design and spacesuits, ships, transport machines were great. The autonomous flying mapping machines were awesome. Great technology that we almost have today with drones flying with MS Kinect strapped to them to map an interior autonomously. Great 3-D model they created.
All the visual effects were state of the art and amazing. Great scifi on the big screen. finally. it's been a long time. I'm glad it wasn't all lasers and guns and shooting.
Iceland made a great planet location.

Very modern and not too much throwback to tech of Alien film on the ship itself.

I thought I saw LV-422 on the view screen when I thought in Alien and Aliens the planet colony was LV-426. Did anyone else notice this?
Noomi Rapace was the real standout. Just an amazing performance. Ridley Scott was generous with her screentime. Charlize Theron was great as well but given much less screentime. Still she made good use of it.

Great Fassbender as the android. Reminded me of Moon for the first 10 minutes of the film.
Here's a great 2 minute video of how they did the ship landing sequence
PROMETHEUS: LANDING SEQUENCE & CRASH

Do I need to see it in 3-D again? no. do i need to see another 20 minutes of deleted scenes for a director's cut? sure. Will I buy the blu-ray? Probably.

Edit: i see it's actually LV-223
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1331/prometheus-backstory/p1
 
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