...including just a long retrospective narrated by Shatner and Stewart.
I never really cared for those types of shows. I watched the series, I don't need a clip-show about them.
Profitability of Star Trek Movies
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I never really cared for those types of shows. I watched the series, I don't need a clip-show about them.
I'm talking Live Action, TV or Movie something along the lines of the old Star Trek:Borg and Star Trek:Klingon games, I recently watched all DS9 on DVD which was fun as it had been a while, but I want some new stuff, Enterprise died in 2005 so we are coming up to 10 years and only 2 JJTrek movies made in the interim... I'll give this Renegades a shot, but I didn't really get on with Of Gods And Men
I'm not sure we'll ever see multiple live-action projects running at the same time where Trek is concerned again. I just don't think the market exists for it.
I wouldn't say "never," but looking at how TNG was mounted is probably instructive. The project, like any, had to be carefully budget and the cost justified. Thus the decision to do editing and other post-processing on video at a time when that was somewhat novel for a filmed series, the heavy reuse of the feature film sets and other assets, etc. Being able to close deals for overseas distribution was, according to the executive in charge of the project, the last element that made the series viable for one year of production.
If someone can present CBS with a proposal that's pretty much guaranteed to make money, with budgets that match up with the proposed distribution (they're not going to devote a feature budget to a limited short-form VOD product, as an extreme example) and doesn't look like it will damage their IP then I suppose they might consider something.
Fan films, BTW, fulfill none of those criteria.
If someone can present CBS with a proposal that's pretty much guaranteed to make money, with budgets that match up with the proposed distribution (they're not going to devote a feature budget to a limited short-form VOD product, as an extreme example) and doesn't look like it will damage their IP then I suppose they might consider something.
Fan films, BTW, fulfill none of those criteria.
Yeah, I look at Marvel((Shield/Carter)&(Defenders)) and DC((Arrow/Flash/Supergirl) I feel that Star Trek should be in there competing at least if JJTrek is supposed to be taking on the MCU and Justice League at the Box Office then Star Trek in some form should be present on the small screen...
I think many people overestimate just how popular Star Trek is. Even in the mid-90's, it was showing strains that there wasn't enough interest to keep two series and a movie franchise going at the same time.
From a mainstream perspective, Marvel, DC and Star Wars just play on another level.
I'm an older fan- I'm 53. I've been watching Trek since 1966.
And I enjoy the current Star Trek as much as any previous iteration of the franchise (and a HELL of a lot more than STV, Nemesis or Generations).
So don't try to speak for "older fans", since you obviously don't speak for anyone but yourself.
You know, I'm rewatching Farscape with a friend who hasn't seen it (her idea, believe it or not; it came up as a suggestion on her NetFlix).
I've been thinking all week that I'd rather have new episodes of a show like Farscape than all the new Star Trek in the world.
I liked modern Trek a lot. Watching it, though, I never got the kind of experience that I had when first watched TOS on NBC: this is fresh, it's unknown, it's wonderfully imaginative and anything could happen to these people in this world.
I got that, in turn, from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Farscape, Firefly and to some extent from the new Battlestar Galactica - when they were new, when they were unknown...when anything could happen.
I'm sorry, the last place that's going to happen is in a return to the Star Trek "Prime Universe." Star Trek has long since become comfort food, "Mom's macaroni and cheese" for long-time fans.
Now, Justin Lin - he might at least bring some novelty of treatment to the next one. We'll see.
I've been thinking all week that I'd rather have new episodes of a show like Farscape than all the new Star Trek in the world.
I liked modern Trek a lot. Watching it, though, I never got the kind of experience that I had when first watched TOS on NBC: this is fresh, it's unknown, it's wonderfully imaginative and anything could happen to these people in this world.
I got that, in turn, from Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Farscape, Firefly and to some extent from the new Battlestar Galactica - when they were new, when they were unknown...when anything could happen.
I'm sorry, the last place that's going to happen is in a return to the Star Trek "Prime Universe." Star Trek has long since become comfort food, "Mom's macaroni and cheese" for long-time fans.
Now, Justin Lin - he might at least bring some novelty of treatment to the next one. We'll see.
I'm perfectly fine with a Star Trek movie every few years. On the TV front, I'd rather have a brand new outer-space sci-fi show than go to the Trek well again.
I guess my question for people not fans of the Abramsverse, is what would they do differently? Working under the current parameters: the IP owner (CBS) isn't interested in making a new TV series and Paramount wants to use Trek as a tentpole summer franchise.
What would they do differently that would sell more tickets, but make them happy?
What would they do differently that would sell more tickets, but make them happy?
A movie about a Klingon crew, set in the 25th century during a period when negotiations between the Cardassians and the Romulans have broken down. Worf's grandson commands the IKV Kahless, a dreadnaught armed with mark vi ablative armor and 120 advanced pulse-phaser batteries.
They should be careful what they wish for, lest instead they got a series about Section 31 starting the temporal cold war after recruiting Harry Kim on Edo, where him and Wesley Crusher argue for hours whether violating the temporal directive is bad or just "bad", before they are given orders to redirect the NCC-1701 to Sigma Draconis VI to sabotage the creation of JJTrek by stealing Spock Prime's brain.
Then again I will watch both.
Blue CGI cat-person sex. It makes all the money.
Oh, and stories that aren't shit would help. But mainly the blue cat-people.
I'm quite fascinated by people who went back to see the AbramsTrek movies multiple times. I went into the first one as mostly a fan of Abrams, but a couple of good action sequences aside I came out a lot less of one. It certainly never inspired any impulse in me to go back for second or third helpings, much less the sequel.
Different people like different things. I went to Star Trek (2009) four times and Into Darkness three times at the theater. I want to be entertained when I go to the movies and the Abrams movies did that.
I'd do a Marvel, have 2 movies a year on different aspects of the Trekverse with the intent that they cross paths in the 5th movie, each movie would have a different tone and target audience with the big event being aimed at everyone, the successful crews can live on in sequels and rest get to cameo
BillJ said:
No way! That is striking information!
The thing for me with Abrams, it has occurred to me from time to time, is that the kind of characters he favours and really seems to relate to are generally people I enjoy watching stumble around in bewilderment (Lost), or getting the bejeezus killed out of them by monsters large and small (Cloverfield). Which, if that's what I was enjoying him for, it makes sense that I'd like those efforts but find his Trek stuff less than relatable.
You need Unobtanium for that
Which reminds me, all movies should contain at least one scene in which Giovanni Ribisi says "Look at all that cheddar!"
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