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Product placement?

Nokia or Budweiser?

  • Nokia

    Votes: 15 45.5%
  • Budweiser

    Votes: 18 54.5%

  • Total voters
    33
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

Why in the would would any of this bother anyone? People complain about the stupidest things.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

Well lets be honest, Nokia products barely last 3 years let alone 300 years and a World War.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

I was less offended over the product placement and more bothered that they're drinking shitty beer in the future.

My exact thought.

I hope that Budweiser the beer died long ago and that this is a new beer using an old name to sound incredibly cool and vintage.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

THANK YOU.

Yes, the film gives NO reason for us to believe either company exists in the 23rd century. None at all.

True. Without a free market society there's no use for copyright/IP laws either, so chances are those things were just rip-offs. :D
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

THANK YOU.

Yes, the film gives NO reason for us to believe either company exists in the 23rd century. None at all.

True. Without a free market society there's no use for copyright/IP laws either, so chances are those things were just rip-offs. :D

Actually it looks like they had to pay for their drinks, Kirk's next line was something like "Make that 2 Jack's, one on me."
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

THANK YOU.

Yes, the film gives NO reason for us to believe either company exists in the 23rd century. None at all.

True. Without a free market society there's no use for copyright/IP laws either, so chances are those things were just rip-offs. :D

Actually it looks like they had to pay for their drinks, Kirk's next line was something like "Make that 2 Jack's, one on me."

I wonder if he used quatloos or gold pressed latinum to pay...:p
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

It could have been worse. A lot worse.

Hilfiger labels on the uniforms.

The Enterprise being built by Daimler Boeing w/warp engines by Lockheed Martin.

Or they could have showed a FedEx shuttle craft.

Seriously though I didn't have a problem with it. Don't forget that 2001: A Space Odyssey showed both Bell and PanAm in the future. Although I think (for that time period) these things were placed more as a security blanket for us. As if to say "It'll be different in the future, but not too different."
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

^ Quatloos! haha, Good one.

^Lockheed Martin? Boeing? If they had dared do military-industrial defense contractor sponsorship then I REALLY WOULD have a serious prob with it, and the Rodennberrys would undoubtedly be turning over in their graves.

I have vague memories of the Federation's use of currency or credits being referenced in TOS, but can't place them. "Scotty, you've earned your pay for the week"---but that could be figurative. The first reference to a moneyless society I can remember is TVH, as someone mentioned above. Someone else mentions Picard's altruistic socialist utopian statements but that is a century later from this movie.

As long as 23rd century Bud, if it is still a company, is employee owned, or at least unionized, then I'm cool.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

Seriously, Nokia?....Budweiser? In a society that's abandoned currency-based economics, somehow hasn't abandoned useless brands, and they survived WWIII, Eugenics Wars, and pretty much the entire Star Trek 21st century shitfest?

And Slusho....does Abrams have to whore his stupid fake brand in everything he makes??

Um, how old was the car? Looked pretty dang old to me and it was probably retrofitted with the phone, which by the way looked way older than all the other technology. So we can't crank that up to the fact that it was a remanent of old technology?

And also, How are you supposed to go out and order a drink?!?! Are you going to go out and just say "I want a beer"? We can't have a variety in the future? How do you identify taste? :shifty: There has to be a way to set things apart because you can't just have one of something. What happens to Sam Adams, Coors, Miller, Hieniken, Newcastle, Guinness? While money doesn't exist, taste does and branding is the way you identify the taste you desire. The only other way would be to go up to the bartender and say "I'd like a beer: light, with mild hops, add a hint of carmel, and give it an old classic American taste." That's efficient....:wtf:

Example: Did Sisko's father have a name to his store? How bout that it did! 'Sisko's.' That's branding. I'm sure there are other examples where we see branding off of the Starships.

Do people just walk down the street and hop into this "Restaurant?" Nope they remember the brand and what it tasted like because it is an efficient way of identifying feelings and taste into a simple word.

Just because it is there doesn't mean it is corporate or commercial. It is there because it is a means of identification.

Sure, certain things like Nokia are probably gone, but there are certain products that have to have some sort of identification. I'd bet Kleenex is no longer Kleenex and the operating system is no longer Microsoft, but really, come on.
 
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Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

When we first hear the Nokia ringtones, I immediately started looking around to see which bastard hadn't silenced his cellphone.

Seeing the 23rd century "cellphone" didn't remove me, it was an insight into civilian life in the future, which Star Trek shows practically none of.

As far as Bud and Jack, well some things just stand the test of time.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

I actually loved the Budweiser Classic line because it continues to strengthen for new Trek fans that this is our future and they still like to drink Bud. The Nokia thing was a bit annoying, not because it was product placement, but because it seemed out of place and made me realize it was product placement.

In terms of currency, I've always understood it to mean that Earth has no currency in the future, but Starfleet officers do get paid. Don't they regularly spend credits in Quark's Bar and Garak's Tailor Shop on DS9?
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

Actually it looks like they had to pay for their drinks, Kirk's next line was something like "Make that 2 Jack's, one on me."

Damn! How are we supposed to pick up girls in the future!

Perhaps it's still just a saying.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

I was less offended over the product placement and more bothered that they're drinking shitty beer in the future.

Beat me to it.

I didn't mind the Nokia one, but the Budweiser was a bit blatant and just disappointing that American's haven't moved on to a better brew by that point in time.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

Definitely threw me. Especially the idea that they'd hold onto their current logos/wordmarks/etc. for three hundred years without change. Not even the Hudson's Bay Company managed that, and they've been around almost since Britain first started poking around North America!

I don't know about Nokia (well, I do, there's no way they're even close) but Budweiser as a brand and product is 130+ years old.

Plus, who said the 23rd century was a currencyless economy?

Kirk mentioned it in ST IV.

It's also implied in Enterprise, and First Contact that the federation works for the ideals blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.

Kirk mentions getting paid multiple times in TOS. In Star Trek IV he says "They're still using money", which could mean anything...such as they discontinued using money sometime after the five-year mission, etc...
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

Actually, the main bridge viewer as an actual viewport with HUD capabilities? That worked for me.
Yeah, I actualy thought it was a pretty sweet effect.


I didnt think the ads were that bad. If Trek has to sell itself to the corporations a little bit in order to give us movies like Trek XI then I think we have ourselves a bargain. The ads were even well placed and well implemented into the film so that makes it even better
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

Seriously, Nokia?....Budweiser? In a society that's abandoned currency-based economics, somehow hasn't abandoned useless brands, and they survived WWIII, Eugenics Wars, and pretty much the entire Star Trek 21st century shitfest?

And Slusho....does Abrams have to whore his stupid fake brand in everything he makes??

Um, how old was the car? Looked pretty dang old to me and it was probably retrofitted with the phone, which by the way looked way older than all the other technology. So we can't crank that up to the fact that it was a remanent of old technology?

And also, How are you supposed to go out and order a drink?!?! Are you going to go out and just say "I want a beer"? We can't have a variety in the future? How do you identify taste? :shifty: There has to be a way to set things apart because you can't just have one of something. What happens to Sam Adams, Coors, Miller, Hieniken, Newcastle, Guinness? While money doesn't exist, taste does and branding is the way you identify the taste you desire. The only other way would be to go up to the bartender and say "I'd like a beer: light, with mild hops, add a hint of carmel, and give it an old classic American taste." That's efficient....:wtf:

Example: Did Sisko's father have a name to his store? How bout that it did! 'Sisko's.' That's branding. I'm sure their are other examples where we see branding off of the Starships.

Do people just walk down the street and hop into this "Restaurant?" Nope they remember the brand and what it tasted like because it is an efficient way of identifying feelings and taste into a simple word.

Just because it is there doesn't mean it is corporate or commercial. It is there because it is a means of identification.

Sure, certain things like Nokia are probably gone, but there are certain products that have to have some sort of identification. I'd bet Kleenex is no longer Kleenex and the operating system is no longer Microsoft, but really, come on.

Perfectly put.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

While it did pull me out of the movie for a second, I was open to a new Trek, and as such, I let it roll off my back. Big deal.
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

I was less offended over the product placement and more bothered that they're drinking shitty beer in the future.
Hee hee hee...too true! Then again, they could have said "Miller Light"...::shudder::
 
Re: Liked most of this movie, could have used less Corporate whoring

Sorry, but I'm okay with it. It's just another way to remind us that Trek is our future. It actually seems more realistic to have at least a few things we're familiar with survive.

Plus, if it helps the profitability of the franchise, go for it.

Unfortunately, corporate sponsorship is a reality of modern film-making, but two references over the course of the movie doesn't seem like a big deal. It's not like the Enterprise had a FedEx logo on the hull.
 
Which was your favourite product placement?

Nokia or Bud?

I liked the Nokia one best.

And I have heard that the decks on the Enterprise were named after Nokia phones:lol:
 
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