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Probert's Ambassador class concept

swaaye

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http://probertdesigns.com/Folder_STORE/Folder_CONCEPT-KITS/Ambassador_Kit.html

I was wandering his site the other day and came upon this area where he's working with a company to put out some kits based off of his ship concept art.

Cool combination of a Galaxy and an Excelsior!
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Better or worse than the Ambassador we know? I think it's definitely better from the front at least.
 
I think it's rather nice. I like the Ambassador we got because it seems nicely utilitarian, but I don't see why this couldn't be in the fleet too.

(For that matter, do we canonically know this wasn't the Ambassador? :p)
 
Does anybody have an answer for why the Ambassador Class never saw anywhere near as much use as the Excelsior and Galaxy Classes? Or any other class, for that matter...

DS9 in particular had the opportunity to show a number of these ships in service during of The Dominion War, but I don't recall even seeing one...

It's almost enough to make you wonder if the designer of the model claimed intellectual property or something of the sort.
 
One of the few showings of the ship is in DS9's pilot. It is a mystery to me why they didn't use it more.
 
Does anybody have an answer for why the Ambassador Class never saw anywhere near as much use as the Excelsior and Galaxy Classes? Or any other class, for that matter...

From what I understand, the original model itself was built rather, shall we say, economically, and in a hurry for 'Yesterday's Enterprise,' which is why it lacked the complex curves of the original design. It was 'refit' for the modern era and made several more appearances on TNG.

According to Doug Drexler, the model was later evaluated for refit and reuse in the final scene of 'Generations' as one of the ships rescuing the survivors from the Enterprise-D crash. (This was of course after it had appeared as the Yamaguchi in the DS9 pilot.) It was apparently found to need too much work to be usable, and so was excluded.

Presumably, the studio didn't want to pay for the 'fixing' necessary to bring the model up to snuff for the model-based fleet work on DS9 either, and soon after the operations switched almost exclusively to CGI. As there had been no previous reason to build a CGI model of the ship, one did not exist and it therefore did not appear. A shame, really.

In-universe, the U.S.S. Ambassador was said to have been launched circa 2315, so by the war it would have been a sixty year old design. (The TNG technical manual refers to it and the Oberth as 'aging classes.') When coupled with the fact that we saw relatively few of them to start with, it's my theory that the class was in fact a literal pathfinder for the Galaxy project - big and ambitious, perhaps too much, too fast.

It's possible that it wasn't a total success, but served technologically to pave the way for the Galaxy. I tend to think that very few were built, perhaps a dozen to eighteen, with Starfleet opting instead by the time of the Dominion War for the newer, perhaps more successful Galaxy and Nebula classes, which would presumably fulfill the same roles. Excelsiors and Mirandas which we saw tons of presumably fulfilled different roles in the fleet.
 
I actually prefer the version we got over the one in that picture. The original concept is a little too close to the Galaxy class for my liking.
 
I thought one of the other reasons we rarely saw this ship is that in quick space shots, it would have looked too much like an Excelsior. And since we already had enough stock footage with *that* ship... :vulcan:
 
^That might have well been one more reason they didn't spend extra time or money refurbing the model or building a CGI one. It might have just seemed unnecessary.
 
http://probertdesigns.com/Folder_STORE/Folder_CONCEPT-KITS/Ambassador_Kit.html

I was wandering his site the other day and came upon this area where he's working with a company to put out some kits based off of his ship concept art.

Cool combination of a Galaxy and an Excelsior!
ssay.png


Better or worse than the Ambassador we know? I think it's definitely better from the front at least.

Sweet. Now, wouldn't this be an Ambassador-refit?

I've been trolling around for a Galaxy-class model kit or two, and discovered the new and reissued ship kits. (The Ent-E kit has been reissued BTW) Very psyched at the possibility of a new Galaxy model (if it's as big as the Polar Lights TOS Connie/Refit, I will shit myself).

Strange looking main deflector on this class. It looks like its off-center, rotated to the right slightly. But I dig. If a kit emerges of this class it will look great in a small TNG-era fleet.
 
I've been trolling around for a Galaxy-class model kit or two, and discovered the new and reissued ship kits. (The Ent-E kit has been reissued BTW) Very psyched at the possibility of a new Galaxy model (if it's as big as the Polar Lights TOS Connie/Refit, I will shit myself).

I'd shit, too. Do you mean in-scale with them? Cuz that'd be huuuuge.
 
Well no, I was just thinking of a Galaxy 3-footer, as I've heard there is a Polar Lights kit of a 3-footer of the TOS ship. Scaled to that, I'd have to put the Galaxy in the front yard. Hmmm....time to get a front yard...
 
The original Ambassador class is actually one of my favourite ship designs in all of Trek so I'm afraid that version gets my vote too.
 
Ah, I agree. I think it was a nice marriage of design and utilitarianism that nicely echoed the TOS ship.
 
Damn that's fugly.

Talk about a beer belly!
Nothing compared to the pregnant Excelsior...

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That painting of the Ambassador was meant as a matte painting. I composited it into a TNG FX shot (above) to show how it might've looked, and Andy said it's pretty much as he intended.
 
I read somewhere that they were originally going to have the Pegasus be an Ambasador Class Ship, but for some reason it was going to be to expensive to do, so it became an Oberth Class instead.
 
Damn that's fugly.

Talk about a beer belly!
Nothing compared to the pregnant Excelsior...

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That painting of the Ambassador was meant as a matte painting. I composited it into a TNG FX shot (above) to show how it might've looked, and Andy said it's pretty much as he intended.
You know what? I take back what I said. That looks fantastic. I'd love to see someone do up a fancy 3D model of it, or whatever it is you FX kids call them. :p
 
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