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...alternate timeline / side-flashes.

It seems there's more different in the alternate reality than just not crashing... things that were different before that moment. It's been a while for me so correct me if these aren't different but just how they should be

1) Hurley has extra good luck rather than bad

2) Desmond was on the plane

3) Shannon wasn't

4) Locke is getting married to Helen, rather than stalking her on the phone

5) And of course... the island is under water.

Any others?
 
The key ones that cannot easily be explained by the lack of a crash.

1) Sun and Jin are not married.

2) Kate does not attempt to retrieve the all-important toy aeroplane from Mars' case, suggesting her relationship with her childhood boyfriend Tom Brennan went differently. (There is also a suggestion out there that Kate did not murder her father but someone else)

3) Jack's father's body and Locke's knives are left off the plane.

4) Shannon chooses to remain in Australia.

5) Ethan uses his birth name, Ethan Goodspeed, and becomes a Doctor living in Los Angeles.

6) Benjamin Linus is European History teacher at the same high school where John Locke becomes a substitute teacher.

7) Locke, curiously, does not react when Helen suggests inviting his father to the wedding. This may indicate a change in the reason why Locke is paralysed.

8) Michael and Walt appear not to be on the plane.

9) Charlie has a different haircut.

10) Jack is nervous about flying and is calmed down by Rose. (This was the other way around originally)

11) It's unclear whether or not Eko, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Paolo or Nikki were on the plane.

12) Sayid has an Iranian passport but marked "Iraq" as his country of origin on his immigration form.

13) Desmond is briefly shown to be wearing a wedding ring while on the plane.

The island appears to have just "sunk". The Barracks and the statue are still there, just underwater. It's extremely unlikely that the nuke caused this change.
 
I was just thinking, remember how at the last episode of season three we saw jack all bummed out and it was set up as a flashback, but the twist was it ended up being a flashforward.
And then season4 went on to be all flashforwards (rather then the old flashbacks) it was kind of like the last episode of season three showed us the new storytelling device the writers were going to use in season four.

Well what if they did the same thing in the last episode season 5? What if when Jacob was meeting everyone in the past all actually happened in the "Alternate" timeline? We just didn't know it at the time, because we assumed they were flashbacks, but what we were seeing was the set up for the "flashsideways" that we are seeing now?
 
^Jacob giving Sawyer the pen counters that. If Jacob hadn't appeared to them, he wouldn't have written the letter.

He also gave Hurley the case which later showed up on the Island.
 
Yah, true about the Hurley thing. But it's still not certain that Sawyer wouldn't have written that letter later that night or some other time if Jacob hadn't given him the pen.
 
...alternate timeline / side-flashes.

It seems there's more different in the alternate reality than just not crashing... things that were different before that moment.

Uh, obviously. I don't know why some people seem to think that the branching point in the timeline would be the plane not crashing. The island having sunk years prior would be the thing which could potentially have caused all the other changes, as the Island sinking means that the Others don't interact with the outside world as in the prime timeline, and Widmore doesn't spend years trying to get back to the Island. Butterfly effect could then cause all of the other subsequent changes that we see. The question is really just "Why did the Island sink?" Was it just the bomb going off, or something else?

3) Jack's father's body and Locke's knives are left off the plane.

To be fair, we don't actually know if Christian's body was on the plane in the prime timeline either. We know that there was a coffin, and that there's an apparition of Christian who shows up on the Island. We don't know if his body was ever on the plane, even in the prime timeline.
 
^It's not very likely that they loaded an empty coffin on to the plane, though.

Who knows? I was just wondering if someone might have swiped his body before the plane took off, maybe switching it with something else. Probably not, but I just thought, during the scene where they're telling Jack that his father's body is missing "Hey, maybe this is a clue that something like this happened in the original timeline too."
 
^Well, yes, but I prefer to base my speculation on things we've actually seen happen in the show.

In the alternate timeline there is no reason to believe that Oceanic loaded the coffin on to the plane. Their staff in LA would have turned over the empty coffin only for Jack to discover that the body was missing.

In the main timeline, however, Jack did find the coffin near the caves, having been led there by visions of Christian, but it was unlocked and empty. My working theory is that The Man in Black resurrected Christian in the same way he did Sayid and possibly Claire.
 
...alternate timeline / side-flashes.

It seems there's more different in the alternate reality than just not crashing... things that were different before that moment.

Uh, obviously. I don't know why some people seem to think that the branching point in the timeline would be the plane not crashing. The island having sunk years prior would be the thing which could potentially have caused all the other changes, as the Island sinking means that the Others don't interact with the outside world as in the prime timeline, and Widmore doesn't spend years trying to get back to the Island. Butterfly effect could then cause all of the other subsequent changes that we see. The question is really just "Why did the Island sink?" Was it just the bomb going off, or something else?

It's not that obvious. I mean the only thing that really stood out for me was Hurley saying he's the luckiest guy in the world. I didn't start noticing the other differences till I thought about it later, and I didn't catch half of the ones outlined by Hermiod

1) Sun and Jin are not married.
What? I didn't catch that at all!

2) Kate does not attempt to retrieve the all-important toy aeroplane from Mars' case, suggesting her relationship with her childhood boyfriend Tom Brennan went differently. (There is also a suggestion out there that Kate did not murder her father but someone else)
Didn't notice the thing about the toy. As for her being innocent, I didn't feel like that was the implication at all. She asks "would you believe me if I said I was innocent?" and Claire says "yeah", and she gives a look that suggests she really isn't innocent and feels bad for conning another person.

3) Jack's father's body and Locke's knives are left off the plane.
Hmm... didn't think about Locke's knives. As for Jack's father... well, there's no case for comparison there. I felt like the implication was it disappeared magically when they passed over the island, which could be true in both cases.

5) Ethan uses his birth name, Ethan Goodspeed, and becomes a Doctor living in Los Angeles.

6) Benjamin Linus is European History teacher at the same high school where John Locke becomes a substitute teacher.
His birth name? What other name is there?

Obv the others can't be on the island since it's under water, I see that as more of a consequence of a difference rather than a difference.

7) Locke, curiously, does not react when Helen suggests inviting his father to the wedding. This may indicate a change in the reason why Locke is paralysed.
I did notice this but was confused and thought maybe I was remembering wrong or that there was something I forgot about him having a biological dad and an adopted dad or something.

8) Michael and Walt appear not to be on the plane.
Speculation. More like the actors weren't in the episode, which proves nothing.

9) Charlie has a different haircut.
Really? Is that intentional or just one of those minor things?

10) Jack is nervous about flying and is calmed down by Rose. (This was the other way around originally)
Ahhhh.... totally forgot about that.

11) It's unclear whether or not Eko, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Paolo or Nikki were on the plane.
Just like Michael and Walt... doesn't count

12) Sayid has an Iranian passport but marked "Iraq" as his country of origin on his immigration form.
Sounds like a production glitch.

13) Desmond is briefly shown to be wearing a wedding ring while on the plane.
Never would have seen that.
 
What? I didn't catch that at all!

No wedding rings and Sun is referred to as "Miss Paik".

Didn't notice the thing about the toy. As for her being innocent, I didn't feel like that was the implication at all. She asks "would you believe me if I said I was innocent?" and Claire says "yeah", and she gives a look that suggests she really isn't innocent and feels bad for conning another person.

She may be innocent or she may not have killed her biological father but somebody else.

His birth name? What other name is there?

Rom, he always gave his name as Ethan Rom.

Obv the others can't be on the island since it's under water, I see that as more of a consequence of a difference rather than a difference.

Yes, but the question is whether or not they ever went to the Island in the first place. Suppose Ben's mother didn't die ?

I did notice this but was confused and thought maybe I was remembering wrong or that there was something I forgot about him having a biological dad and an adopted dad or something.

As far as we know, Locke grew up fatherless.

Really? Is that intentional or just one of those minor things?

They went to the trouble of having everyone wear the same clothes.

Never would have seen that.

The benefits of HDTV.
 
7) Locke, curiously, does not react when Helen suggests inviting his father to the wedding. This may indicate a change in the reason why Locke is paralysed.

If you go to Lostipedia and go to the mysteries category, click on the flash-sideways section and there is screencap of the scene in The Substitute where Locke is about to be fired. In his cubicle, there is a picture of him and his dad and it looks like they're camping or hiking and they looked pretty chummy. I don't think it's terribly important to reveal how Locke got paralyzed (not as important as wondering why Desmond was on the plane and where he went).
 
I'd like to submit Jack's son as a relatively major difference ;). I wonder who the mother is? I didn't get a close look at the photo they glazed over at the beginning of the flash-sideways this week, or was that just Jack and his parents?
 
And still super rich and still owns the Box Company and Mr. Clucks. So unless he won the lottery a different way, then I would assume he used the numbers again. But maybe the numbers are lucky in this alternate world?
 
I was thinking about Hurley and the Numbers the other day and I was wondering how Hurley could stll be the way he is after the Lotto when there is no Island, no Numbers being transmitted and nobody intercepting and passing them by word of mouth and Hurley wouldn't get them to play them. Also how random is the Lotto supposed to be, would the Numbers still come up and Hurley just happened to come up with them on his own?
 
The numbers could still be transmitted. It's not like the detonation wiped the island from history. The reprecussions of the actions that came after the detonation are what changed (including the events caused by time travel by those so affected), not those that happened before.
 
The numbers could still be transmitted. It's not like the detonation wiped the island from history. The reprecussions of the actions that came after the detonation are what changed (including the events caused by time travel by those so affected), not those that happened before.

It remains to be seen whether or not the nuke was the cause of the differences.
 
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