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Prime Directive or A Sharing Universe...

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WE the people of the Star Trek generation know about the Prime Directive noted in a 1968 episode of the show... It is unethical or ethical / immoral or moral...

The executive summary of the order given in the 1968 episode “Bread and Circuses” is:

"no identification of self or mission; no interference with the social development of said planet; no references to space, other worlds, or advanced civilizations".

Here is a thought Robert Beltran who played Chakotay...

https://www.cnet.com/culture/star-t...-beltran-the-prime-directive-is-fascist-crap/

He(Robert Beltran) even rails against the show's "Prime Directive," a guiding principle that prohibits Starfleet characters from interfering with the development of alien civilizations.

"The idea of leaving any species to die in its own filth when you have the ability to help them, just because you wanna let them get through their normal evolutionary processes is bunk -- it's a bunch of fascist crap," he said. "I much prefer the Cub Scout motto." (The Cub Scout motto, by the way, is about doing your best and helping others.)


Here is Forbs take on the Prime Directive: for a sharing universe...

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The Philosophy Of Star Trek: Is The Prime Directive Ethical?
Within the Star Trek universe, the Prime Directive is a crucial regulation that is binding on Starfleet personnel. How well does it work as an ethical rule?

The Prime Directive (officially Starfleet Order 1) is a prohibition on interference with the other cultures and civilizations representatives of Starfleet encounter in their exploration of the universe. In particular, the Prime Directive is aimed at preventing interference with the internal development of civilizations that are less technologically advanced.

The Prime Directive reflects both a consequentialist commitment to reducing harm and a Kantian commitment to respecting the autonomy of others. Built into the Prime Directive is an assumption that cultures are better off if left to their own devices (whether those “devices” are social practices or concrete technologies). Interference by Starfleet, even if well-intentioned, is judged likely to mess things up in unanticipated ways — and if the culture in question is to deal with unintended harms, it would be better if they result from the culture’s own free choices.

But if the Prime Directive seems to line up with some strong moral intuitions — that we should respect the autonomy of other cultures and strive not to inflict even unintentional harms on them — it also bumps up against the fact that Star Trek is all about the ethical project of sharing a universe.

Maybe this is why the Prime Directive is not an exceptionless rule: Even if Starfleet ought not to play God, nor to use its superior technologies to impose its will by force, ultimately ethics may require that we trust members of other civilizations to choose their own paths even as they grapple with the possibilities presented by contact with Starfleet. Really sharing a universe is itself a kind of interventio
 
This is from Enterprise series... What is ethical... Was it ethical not to help... or immoral not to help... Would it have harm any development if the Enterprise had shared...

Here is a summary...

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Star Trek's 'Prime Directive' is stupid
futurism, transhumanism, bioethics, ethics, science, philosophy, artificial intelligence, personhood.
www.sentientdevelopments.com

In "Dear Doctor" the Enterprise crew encounters a pre-warp civilization that is being decimated by a pandemic -- over 12 million people were killed during the previous year. Needless to say these people are eager to find a cure and are hopeful that the Enterprise crew will be willing and able to help them with their advanced medical technology.

The crew soon discovers that that the alien society is comprised of two distinct species, the Valakians and Menks -- but for some unknown reason the Menks are completely immune to the disease.

Phlox, the ship's doctor, is asked to develop medication to ease the symptoms of the disease. In so doing he discovers that the illness has a genetic basis and has been ongoing for thousands of years, accelerating only in recent generations. Shockingly, Dr. Phlox projects that the Valakians will be extinct in less than 200 years.

The doctor eventually finds a cure but comes to the conclusion that it wouldn't be ethical to administer it for fears of interfering in an evolutionary process. Apparently, the Valakians are dying out and the Menks are undergoing an "awakening process". The "disease" the Valakians are suffering from isn't caused by any pathogen, but is because their gene pool has reached a "dead end."

The doctor convinces Captain Archer that they should not interfere, they pack their bags, and boldly return to space leaving the Valakians and Malks to fend for themselves.
 
This is from Enterprise series... What is ethical... Was it ethical not to help... or immoral not to help... Would it have harm any development if the Enterprise had shared...

Here is a summary...

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Star Trek's 'Prime Directive' is stupid
futurism, transhumanism, bioethics, ethics, science, philosophy, artificial intelligence, personhood.
www.sentientdevelopments.com

In "Dear Doctor" the Enterprise crew encounters a pre-warp civilization that is being decimated by a pandemic -- over 12 million people were killed during the previous year. Needless to say these people are eager to find a cure and are hopeful that the Enterprise crew will be willing and able to help them with their advanced medical technology.

The crew soon discovers that that the alien society is comprised of two distinct species, the Valakians and Menks -- but for some unknown reason the Menks are completely immune to the disease.

Phlox, the ship's doctor, is asked to develop medication to ease the symptoms of the disease. In so doing he discovers that the illness has a genetic basis and has been ongoing for thousands of years, accelerating only in recent generations. Shockingly, Dr. Phlox projects that the Valakians will be extinct in less than 200 years.

The doctor eventually finds a cure but comes to the conclusion that it wouldn't be ethical to administer it for fears of interfering in an evolutionary process. Apparently, the Valakians are dying out and the Menks are undergoing an "awakening process". The "disease" the Valakians are suffering from isn't caused by any pathogen, but is because their gene pool has reached a "dead end."

The doctor convinces Captain Archer that they should not interfere, they pack their bags, and boldly return to space leaving the Valakians and Malks to fend for themselves.

I wouldn't use Dear Doctor as a guide for the prime directive...or what evolution is...or how not to be a genocidal monster...or anything, really.
 
I wouldn't use Dear Doctor as a guide for the prime directive...or what evolution is...or how not to be a genocidal monster...or anything, really.

The doctor is not the issue. The issue is the prime directive was used to genocide a race of people, without guilt. If the doctor had share the cure in a thousand years the people of the planet would have had thier chariot of the gods folklore...
 
Two things ...

1) Ethical Questions and their atypical answers as well as the results, are the Bread & Butter of most Star Trek episodes.

2) Using an ENTERPRISE episode that takes place well before the exitance of the Prime Directive was even thought of as a basis for your thought processes, is a lousy example.
 
In the New Star Trek New Worlds... There is an asteroid goes around the universe sharing and helping life on other worlds thought-out the universe. It is S1-E2...

The USS Enterprise is confronted by a giant alien ship crewed by an race that call themselves "shepherds" and refer to the comet as M'hanit, since it's sacred to them. Despite Pike's protests, they insist that M'hanit will decide to bring either life or destruction to the planet below, but its decision is final and cannot be interfered with. Meanwhile the away team that are on the surface of the comet find a way to communicate with it and with the exception of Spock singing, the whole thing is handled in a classic "Star Trek" manner; a way is devised to keep everybody happy without anyone getting hurt. Or at least seriously hurt.

I am pointing out the Federation should be sharing thier knowledge when needed with other worlds , planets with or without warp...
 
In the New Star Trek New Worlds... There is an asteroid goes around the universe sharing and helping life on other worlds thought-out the universe. It is S1-E2...

The USS Enterprise is confronted by a giant alien ship crewed by an race that call themselves "shepherds" and refer to the comet as M'hanit, since it's sacred to them. Despite Pike's protests, they insist that M'hanit will decide to bring either life or destruction to the planet below, but its decision is final and cannot be interfered with. Meanwhile the away team that are on the surface of the comet find a way to communicate with it and with the exception of Spock singing, the whole thing is handled in a classic "Star Trek" manner; a way is devised to keep everybody happy without anyone getting hurt. Or at least seriously hurt.

I am pointing out the Federation should be sharing thier knowledge when needed with other worlds , with or without warp...
The basic problem with that is that one almost always doesn't know before hand what exactly the actual outcome will be.
Good intentions often result in bad outcomes.
 
Good intentions often result in bad outcomes.

No, there is no statical evidence to support your notion only anecdotal evidence at best, like, " the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

If you know you can help, you should help unless you know it would cause a greater harm later.
 
The doctor is not the issue. The issue is the prime directive was used to genocide a race of people, without guilt.

There was no prime directive at the time: this is all on the doctor.

If the doctor had share the cure in a thousand years the people of the planet would have had their chariot of the gods folklore...

This wasn't a scientifically primitive tribal society; I don't see why a myth of any kind would result.
 
This wasn't a scientifically primitive tribal society; I don't see why a myth of any kind would result.

I bet by the time they achieved warp tech. It would have become an urban legend...

I want to point out we have never seen a Federation person die for the Prime Directive... But we have seen them break it numerous times...

In the words of Captain James T Kirk, “A starship captain’s most solemn oath is that he will give his life, even his entire crew, rather than violate the Prime Directive.” To which his successor, Captain Jean-Luc Picard, adds: “The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy… and a very correct one. History has proven again and again that whenever mankind interferes… no matter how well-intentioned that interference may be, the results are invariably disastrous.”
 
Kirk was very good at quoting Star Fleet Regulations ...
But he was so much better at breaking them when it suited his purpose.

That's just the common perception since Star Trek 3: he was pretty by the book during his command. His prime directive infractions mostly "suited his purpose" in that his purpose was not to let people die.
 
More of a General Trek Discussion thread. Restart it there if you please, but in a shorter version.
 
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