Predict the Rotten Tomatoes & Metacritic score for ST : Beyond

[KGator]

If you take ST09 domestic + ID foreign, you're already basically looking at $500m, and that's before adjusted.

I think both can easily be matched.

That's possible but it's more likely that domestic will fall short of ST09 but international will increase to make up any shortfall. The best case scenario is that STB matches or even exceeds STID (I don't think it will match the nostalgia effect of ST09) and the international increase pushes the WW cum closer towards $600m. The biggest obstacle is that international ticket sales have to increase a lot more because currency rates today are much weaker than back when STID was released. It will have to increase sales just to match STID and need an even greater bump in tickets to expand the overseas revenue.

Based on initial reactions, it seems exactly the type of movie that the Chinese like so I'm fairly confident we will see some kind of increase there. I think China will be good for another $30-60m (depending on the release date) and the rest of Asia should be good for another $12-20m. I definitely think it can expand its numbers in places like Hong Kong, South Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, etc. I also think it can increase a similar amount in South America. Mexico, and Brazil are big markets that do very good box office for comic book hero films so a lighthearted and action packed scifi romp should increase somewhat now that it is more of a known entity. The country I am watching as an indicator is Australia, an English speaking country without the long history of the franchise we have here yet also having a strong asian influence. They seem to be a fairly good indicator of general acceptance. If it breaks out big there I think it bodes well for the rest of Asia and the UK.

 

[Kpnuts]

Currently 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. 20 Fresh, 3 Rotten reviews

 

[SalvorHardin]

Currently:

88% on RT with 21 Fresh & 3 Rotten
68 on MC with 9 Positive & 4 Mixed

 

[Dales]

Currently:

88% on RT with 21 Fresh & 3 Rotten
68 on MC with 9 Positive & 4 Mixed

looking good. at this point I don't think it will go below the 80% rt score, which will be great and for meta critic it won't go below 65. we may just have a win.

 

[RAMA]

Currently:

88% on RT with 21 Fresh & 3 Rotten
68 on MC with 9 Positive & 4 Mixed

One of the most interesting things about the review episod of the ST podcast I posted is that the professional critics agree they hate giving number grades. They don't really understand how to give a number grade and it's almost an afterthought for them. One expresses he would like not to give them on RT.

This kind of explains to me in part why I find so many number grades "off" especially when they give a good review..."good review, ok 6.8 score." That's an ok score, but 68 out of 100 is really not fantastic. That being said, 1 of the 4 did not like the movie. One bowed out of writing his regular review because he's too much of a Trekkie (the host). One who "liked" the movie lukewarmly, gave it a 6.5 out of 10 after mulling over whether to give it a 7.

 

[KGator]

I think Ghostbusters is the next summer sequel bomb - following in the footsteps of Alice 2, TMNT2, IDR, etc. Between ongoing competition from Pets for families, Mike and Dave for the 20 something crowd and STB opening in its second weekend and taking out GB's legs . . . I don't see it getting to $100 million. Probably finishing in the $80-90m range.

I underestimated GB. Based on its opening weekend this should finish in the 120s to 130s. Definitely not a huge hit but not a bomb either. It might have a slight impact on STB for casual moviegoers deciding between big action adventure and big action comedy. Probably a loss of $2-3m compared to if GB had been roundly panned and had poor WOM. It does go to show the effect of a big, last minute marketing blitz. This movie was tracking in the 30s at one time.

In other news, Suicide Squad is looking to be a monster when it releases 2 weeks after STB. This could be a Deadpool level or bigger opening and could effect STB on the backend, especially in losing theaters if STB opens weaker than expected. I'm still expecting STB to open in the $60-65m range and hoping it hits even closer to STID ($70m).

 

[SalvorHardin]

A small rise

90% on RT with 26 Fresh & 3 Rotten
71 on MC with 10 Positive, 4 Mixed & 0 Negative

 

[RAMA]

Reasons for a good score: 50th anniversary good feelings. The 5 year mission/exploration. More adventurous tone. The fact it came out in 3 years instead of 4. Trailers look great. Idris Elba.

Star Trek Beyond

RT: 92%
Metacritic: 82/100

Box Office: $270 million US $285 million WW=$555 million

RAMA

 

[M-Red]

Looking very good!!

 

[Jax]

With 163 reviews now in (big jump from other day) We are holding at 86%. Very good reviews though I was hoping it might stay above 90%.

 

[KGator]

Currently 83 on RT and 10 on MC.

Based on the early reviews I thought this would have scored better. It looks like it will be the lowest rated of the three rebooted films.

 

[johnjm22]

I'm really surprised that Into Darkness was more well received critically than Beyond.

 

[Dales]

I'm really surprised that Into Darkness was more well received critically than Beyond.

Into Darkness when it first came out was a well recivied movie and in a way still is but as weeks and months went by, opinions began to change and when about 100 trekkies at a convention named it the worst film , the news blew up online.

it also did not help that JJ, Urban and Pegg started addressing the constructive criticism of the film themselves. So after about 3 years, it is now become official cool to hate into darkness.

I personally liked the film and thought it was a good film minus the reharsh of kirk's death and spock khan scream and maybe the way uhura and carol were handled but apart from that. the film is a sold 8/10 for me..

It's a great film with some major flaws.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Currently 83 on RT and 10 on MC.

Based on the early reviews I thought this would have scored better. It looks like it will be the lowest rated of the three rebooted films.

I'm really surprised that Into Darkness was more well received critically than Beyond.

Of the three, it's ranking lower even with user ratings on RT and IMDb.

I'm trying to understand what it is about the first two people like more than BEYOND. To me, they're inferior, especially when it comes to the writing. Is it because BEYOND is closer in spirit to TOS and that doesn't really do it for non-fans? It's very interesting.

 

[faustian]

I really think that STID is a good fit for those who are not fans of the series. Personally I hated it because it seemed to be a bastardization of TWOK. Also I found Kirk to be particularly poorly characterized by the story to the point where it made me cringe throughout. As a fan it felt like an attack on an old friend instead of a loving portrayal. I couldn't get past the embarrassment of how unprofessional Kirk was acting, even if it made sense in light of him being a rookie captain who was prematurely promoted... because I was still basing my love of the character on Prime Universe Kirk.

For those without a strong knowledge of the series or particular fondness for the original characters I could see how STID could easily seem like a more complex and deeper plot. Although I do wonder about people absolutely loving it... I mean that ending was weak. Kahn's blood? Really? Really?

 

[BillJ]

For those without a strong knowledge of the series or particular fondness for the original characters I could see how STID could easily seem like a more complex and deeper plot.

I thought Into Darkness was a great film, and I'm a long time TOS fan. There's really no rhyme or reason to liking or disliking a given product, we're all different.

 

[RAMA]

It dipped to 83% but is back up to 84%. The fan ratings went down however which is a big surprise.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I thought Into Darkness was a great film, and I'm a long time TOS fan. There's really no rhyme or reason to liking or disliking a given product, we're all different.

There are rhyme and reasons, it just depends on one's sensibilities. I greatly enjoy DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER because it appeals my absurdist humor, whereas many Bomd fans regard it as among the worst of the series.

 

[Ovation]

Of the three, it's ranking lower even with user ratings on RT and IMDb.

I'm trying to understand what it is about the first two people like more than BEYOND. To me, they're inferior, especially when it comes to the writing. Is it because BEYOND is closer in spirit to TOS and that doesn't really do it for non-fans? It's very interesting.

Just a gut feeling, but while Beyond seems to be viewed as the most "Trek-like" of the three new films, thus more pleasing to a wider percentage of "fans", the same perspective likely makes it a bit less appealing to more casual movie-goers. I've watched the three films over the past four days and, adopting a general audience perspective and setting aside my usual "rose-coloured glasses" for Trek (I enjoy all of Trek--not equally, but there's nothing in Trek I have ruled out ever watching again, though Lights of Zetar comes close), I think the trends of audience and critical reception make sense. Trek '09 was a curiosity, for fans and non-fans alike. Not as long a wait as it was for TMP, but a long enough gap of any official Trek on screen to get people to see it. And, for general audiences, I think it was seen as a very entertaining sci-fi/action film, with a strong dose of nostalgia to amp it up. It's a fun movie.

Into Darkness suffered for being so late (again, a general audience perspective) and didn't capitalize fully on the buzz of the first one. However, it made up for that by being stronger internationally (Cumberbatch has legions of fans around the world--a good coup there for casting). It also wasn't as "fun" as the first one, which probably caused a bit of a downturn in the North America market. Also, it wasn't "new" in NA (though it was in a number of international markets, so that probably helped the international box office).

Beyond is also not "new". And, while I think the Paramount promo materials were well done, I do think they waited too long to try to generate some buzz for the film. Could be a trick of memory, but I seem to recall a greater media (non-specialist) attention on the 25th anniversary than for the 50th. Bond did a better job with its focus on its 50th (IMO). And while I'm a fan of Idris Elba, he's not as big a draw as Cumberbatch.

Lastly (again, general audience perspective, not a "fan" perspective), the stakes don't seem as high in the film (even in the promo material). As a fan, I find Beyond very good and rather comfortable. As a non-fan, I think I'd find it a bit less exciting than the previous two films. General audiences don't go to these films looking for "real Trek". They go for excitement and relatable story ideas. In that sense, I think the "earth is in danger" (a tired trope for fans, admittedly) is a big draw for anything not Star Wars (and that includes Trek--TMP and Voyage Home, along with First Contact, I suspect, had the widest appeal to non-fans outside TWOK--perhaps an exception that proves the rule).

Just my 2 cents (and procrastination from a writing assignment topic I'm not especially interested in at the moment).