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POTTER vs LOTR

POTTER vs LOTR...which did you find more entertaining

  • POTTER series..A lot more fun and action

    Votes: 13 20.0%
  • LOTR series...you can't touch this!!!

    Votes: 52 80.0%

  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .
LOTR.

Couldn't make it through the first Harry Potter film. It did absolutely nothing for me.

But even when I was a kid I didn't like most movies where the leading characters were kids.
 
I love the Harry Potter movies. I think they're a lot of fun.

The LOTR movies...I dunno. They're really good, and I can appreciate all the work that went into them, but I just don't feel the need to ever watch them again.
 
Ha ha, you're being ironic, right?

Or did you really just brag about ditching childrens' books for one about a bunch of fairy-tale creatures on a quest?

I wasnt bragging about anything, i was stating a fact. I dont read childrens books or watch childrens films because i am not a child. They dont appeal to me. Nor do i play with childrens toys nor watch childrens television. If you still enjoy doing so then good for you.

I guess the millions of children who've read the LOTR books over the years weren't children?

Do you plan on going to see the Hobbit movie or is that too "kiddy" for you?

While the first Potter book is definitely geared towards people of a younger age, the subsequent books and movie very often deal with mature themes. I'm not sure what having young lead roles has anything to do with it. It's not the Teletubbies.

Arrogance. You sound like one of those people who thinks video games with blood are "mature". Then again, you probably don't play video games at all because you're too mature. :rolleyes:

Actually im laughing at the irony of someone who has to resort to insults commenting on my maturity.

I answered the poll in the thread, and gave my reason for doing so. If you choose to read it as arrogant then that says more about you that it does me.
 
Are we voting over the books or the movies?

Anyway, I enjoy both the books and the films of both Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, but in both cases, I think LOTR is superior. Rewatchability is apparently in the eye of the beholder, as I find the LOTR films much more fun to see over and over again, especially the Moria sequence.
 
I think my avatar and location make my opinion plain. :p
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LOTR in a heartbeat. No contest here, IMO.

Twenty or thirty years from now -- we'll still be discussing aspects of LOTR and the world of Middle-Earth. No one will even remember 'Harry Potter'...

Cheers,
-CM-

Well, I doubt that, I believe you underestimate it's longevity. I can easily see Potter books selling for decades and decades to come. They aren't just going to go away, and the people reading them now will have their children and grandchildren read it.

People always say "no one will remember the shit I don't like in X number of years" and yet someone always does....

A lot of critics hated LOTR when it was first written too you know.
 
I wasnt bragging about anything, i was stating a fact. I dont read childrens books or watch childrens films because i am not a child. They dont appeal to me. Nor do i play with childrens toys nor watch childrens television. If you still enjoy doing so then good for you.

I guess the millions of children who've read the LOTR books over the years weren't children?

Do you plan on going to see the Hobbit movie or is that too "kiddy" for you?

While the first Potter book is definitely geared towards people of a younger age, the subsequent books and movie very often deal with mature themes. I'm not sure what having young lead roles has anything to do with it. It's not the Teletubbies.

Arrogance. You sound like one of those people who thinks video games with blood are "mature". Then again, you probably don't play video games at all because you're too mature. :rolleyes:

Actually im laughing at the irony of someone who has to resort to insults commenting on my maturity.

I answered the poll in the thread, and gave my reason for doing so. If you choose to read it as arrogant then that says more about you that it does me.

The only thing I know about you is that you're named after a character featured in some of the most immature movies created in the past fifteen years.

And BTW, I like K. Smith films, I'm just saying that most of them aren't exactly the height of enlightened maturity.

And again, the Hobbit is a children's book, and the LOTR was originally written by Tolkein as a direct sequel to that work. So how you can say you don't like children's fiction simply because it's written for children regardless of it's content but enjoy LOTR boggles my mind. It's a story about elves and magic and goblins and hobbits and magic rings and it's that different from Potter how exactly? There's big battles? Potter has those. Adults standing around talking? Potter has that too...

Sorry if I can't wrap my head around disliking something not because of it's themes or the quality of the work and instead disliking it for what I percieve is it's intended audience, even when the intended audience is the same audience intended for another work that I like.
 
LOTR in a heartbeat. No contest here, IMO.

Twenty or thirty years from now -- we'll still be discussing aspects of LOTR and the world of Middle-Earth. No one will even remember 'Harry Potter'...

Cheers,
-CM-

Well, I doubt that, I believe you underestimate it's longevity. I can easily see Potter books selling for decades and decades to come. They aren't just going to go away, and the people reading them now will have their children and grandchildren read it.

People always say "no one will remember the shit I don't like in X number of years" and yet someone always does....

A lot of critics hated LOTR when it was first written too you know.

I agree - you are absolutely underestimating the longevity of Harry Potter - they're not going anywhere. The films, I don't know about, but the books are absolutely going to have a place on anyone's book shelf, 100 years from now, right alongside the Narnia books and LOTR books. English departments are already using Philosopher's Stone on their syllabi. The books are just as good as the Narnia books, and they have infiltrated pop culture no less than Star Wars did in its day.

Oh, and to the unfortunate soul up there who calmly states that he doesn't like children's stuff, all I have to say is, what a strange and arbitrary distinction you make. Have you, therefore, never read, as an adult, Alice in Wonderland? Tom Sawyer? Wizard of Earthsea? As a kid, they're great fun, sure, but as an adult, they're extraordinary - masterful, thoughtful, unforgettable. Only BAD children's books don't work on adults. GOOD children's books work better on adults than children, usually.

Have you not watched The Wizard of Oz since you were a kid? Or E.T.? What a barren an unimaginative definition of maturity that is.

And, by the way, how do you distinguish between adult stuff and children's stuff? By which demographic the production company has decided to aim it at? Where does Gulliver's Travels fall? And why, pray tell, does LOTR fall within your definition of adult entertainment? It's certainly a hell of a lot less mature than Alice in Wonderland.

I'm not insulting you personally, you understand. I am just critically lambasting your definition of childish and mature entertainment.
 
^That's all I was saying. Saying you simply don't participate in "children's" entertainment when your definition of what that constitutes seems complete arbitrary and based on however you feel on a particular day seems very limiting to me.

Some of the best and most entertaining films I've seen in years are things like Pixar's creations where there are two layers: one for children, the other for adults. I truly pity anyone who's never seen any Pixar or Disney features "because they are for children".

Heck, a lot of people think STAR TREK is for children, at least they sure as heck did back in the 1960s!
 
I pretty much agree with Col. Midnight. I enjoyed the Harry Potter books and movies, but LOTR is something really, really special - particularly the books, but the movies as well. And they are more...well, adult (in the fullest sense of the word), too - not too surprising considering who the two sets of books were written for - more complex, more layered, and therefore more satisfying once you work your way through them.

This is nothing against Harry Potter - I think the books will probably hold up, and there's a decent chance that they will be children's classics for a long time. But not in the same class as LOTR (which weren't children's books, of course).
 
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I love both series a lot, but LOTR is clearly the winner. I read those books so many damn times in high school. One could argue that HP is more *entertaining* though!
 
Yes, entertaining was the question. How often do you laugh watching LOTR? :(
I like the fantasy, the scope (of that particular fictional world) and the heroism of the Middle Earth adventures, and visually it's absolutely sumptuous, but it takes itself a wee bit too seriously - and the music is pompous, typically.

Now beyond considerations of entertaiment value, like comedy, action and rhythm, where I'd say HP wins on most fronts, let's make a little comparison of content.

All the manicheism in LOTR is annoying. The adaptation managed to leave out most of the racism from the books (about how the 2 armies are composed, and how superior and nobler the tall blond elves and the tall, darker blond horsepeople are to the darker, shorter, more southern peoples, including their own allies), but it's still good characters against evil characters, and when one character is tainted with evil, it's always a contamination from the outside, from Sauron (with perhaps the exception of Boromir and, briefly, Galadriel).

Harry Potter, when it tackles its more serious themes, addresses identity, the evil needing to be faught within oneself, should it be acknowledged, etc. "Can I be good if my genes are tainted?" "How much am I going to be corrupted by power", and so on. Harry fights his demons alone and it doesn't do him justice with his peers... I'm sure I'm leaving out a lot of stuff. I think it beats "let's round up all the good guys - and the ghosts - and march for months and have a couple of humongous showdowns and crush the ugly monsters".

[Edit - I admit Aragorn has probably been staying away from power precisely because he fears the corruptive nature of power, or feels uneasy claiming it, disregarding old regime considerations of blood line (I think that's the official reason. Unofficially, he just doesn't want to take on the responsibility), but in the end, he does want his crown. (Because he thinks he'll do a better job than the previous ruler and because as a king he can finally marry his love.) Just trying to be fair here. :D]

LOTR was good enough for the 1940's, but if today all we do to adapt it to the screen is just sift it through political correctness and make all the enemies non-human, instead of developing current themes beyond fear of a distant and powerful enemy that can contaminate people close to you, it loses its political impact. So yeah, it's entertaining. :D It's beautiful. But if we are talking about the movies, I'm not that sure they will go down so well in history.

The most interesting character in LOTR would be Frodo, who carries the weight of evil - carrying the weight of the world really - literally! :rolleyes:, or rather, Smeagol, with all his fundamental duplicity, but although their respective delirious scenes are interesting, there isn't that much nuance to Frodo (paranoia vs self-sacrifice and, er... paranoia vs self-sacrifice) and frankly, you don't see the end of his journey.
The symbolism is well-labeled and heavy-handed - maybe that accounts for the wide success of LOTR.

Harry Potter is a dark roman d'apprentissage (how can I translate this? coming-of-age novel), not just fantasy, so it speaks to everyone. You can compare it with the Star Wars themes, except the happy outcome is less sure. (Sign of the times.)

So yeah, it's a bit childish in the first volumes, but quite honourable - deep and modern.

PS: those comments are coming from someone who read and taped LOTR but not HP. I was quite engrossed by LOTR, but that allows critical distance, and I'm told the HP books are very rich (by my mother who is a literature teacher. She read them).
 
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In terms of movies, definitely LotR, despite their length and intensity. The HP movies (PoA excepted) generally felt long, stuffed and yet lacking.

Harry Potter, when it tackles its more serious themes, addresses identity, the evil needing to be faught within oneself, should it be acknowledged, etc. "Can I be good if my genes are tainted?" "How much am I going to be corrupted by power", and so on. Harry fights his demons alone and it doesn't do him justice with his peers...

I think most of those themes weren't very well-developed-the transition book PoA introduces inner darkness but it doesn't go anywhere, the idea of a dark side in the last book was really rushed
and also basically came came from outside
; I'd say the books have a pretty black-and-white morality (the government can be corrupt-wow radical :rolleyes:), with friends forgiving and overlooking others' flaws and Harry having to learn several times over that it's OK to count on others.
 
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