Post-Trek XI Comments

[darkshadow0001]

I can see the future now. After the successful Trek XI debut, fans are going to come rushing to these boards and say whatever Trek XI did is going to be canon, and that anything previous Trek established is not going to be canon anymore.

Pretty soon William Shatner won't be considered Kirk, Leonard Nimoy won't be considered Spock, what Enterprise explained for the Klingon foreheads won't even matter anymore.

What has been done to this beloved franchise?!

 

[Borgminister]

Hopefully Pine and company will be so good in their roles that the two universes can coexist.

Sort of like Connery versus Craig as Bond.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

What has been done to this beloved franchise?!

What they had to do, what they always do...turned death into a fighting chance to live.

Some people just don't get it - everything on screen is canon, even when it contradicts other things.

"Canon" in no way means "internally self-consistent."

It's a canonical "fact" that Gary Mitchell created a tombstone for Kirk with the middle initial "R" and it's a canonical "fact" that Kirk's middle name begins with "T."

If fans want to w/a/s/t/e/ spend lots of time creating explanations for Trek's inconsistencies that's fine. However, the lack of a plausible explanation for an inconsistency doesn't make one live action on-screen event "canon" and another not.

 

[M'Sharak]

I can see the future now. After the successful Trek XI debut, fans are going to come rushing to these boards and say whatever Trek XI did is going to be canon, and that anything previous Trek established is not going to be canon anymore.

What future? People have been saying it here for months already; it doesn't make it true now and it won't make it true then.

 

[Garak]

What has been done to this beloved franchise?!

It's been given another chance, a shot in the arm - why wouldn't any Trek fan want that? It's either this or no Trek at all, and arbitrarily harping on about "canon" won't change anything as this movie is already in the can. Probably best to wait for the finished product, be happy that you get to see any Trek at all and move forward (or backwards) from there.

It ain't rocket science.

 

[SGCSG1]

Yeah, I sure wish Paramount hadn't spent a hundred and fifty million dollars and hired the best and hottest stars in Hollywood to re-vitalize this dead franchise.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Yeah, I sure wish Paramount hadn't spent a hundred and fifty million dollars and hired the best and hottest stars in Hollywood to re-vitalize this dead franchise.

I think you guys are taking my thread the wrong way. I'm not dissing the new film by any means, I was only being sarcastic with that last line.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Hopefully Pine and company will be so good in their roles that the two universes can coexist.

Sort of like Connery versus Craig as Bond.

Um I think your missing a few Bonds there.

 

[btflash]

Hopefully Pine and company will be so good in their roles that the two universes can coexist.

Sort of like Connery versus Craig as Bond.

Um I think your missing a few Bonds there.

yeah but there's only one "true " bond{connery} and one true kirk{shatner]

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Hopefully Pine and company will be so good in their roles that the two universes can coexist.

Sort of like Connery versus Craig as Bond.

Um I think your missing a few Bonds there.

None of consequence.

 

[Aragorn]

In case you didn't know, the next 007 movie is about Sean Connery going back in time to stop Nero, whose time travel hijinks has screwed up the timeline and resulted in five other James Bonds.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Couldn't be any worse than some of the other Bond films they've done.

 

[SalvorHardin]

I can see the future now. After the successful Trek XI debut, fans are going to come rushing to these boards and say whatever Trek XI did is going to be canon, and that anything previous Trek established is not going to be canon anymore.

Pretty soon William Shatner won't be considered Kirk, Leonard Nimoy won't be considered Spock, what Enterprise explained for the Klingon foreheads won't even matter anymore.

What on Earth are you on about ? Take a deep breath, count slowly to 10 and relax.

Success or a failure it does not matter at all.
Once Trek XI is on the screen it will be canon. As will be everything else in Trek we've seen on screen for the past 40 years (except TAS).

Kirk will be Kirk and Spock will be Spock. The only difference is that one extra actor will be added next to Shatner and Nimoy as to who's played the part.

And as for seeing the future, I find it more likely that the people who already hate the movie now will be the ones crying about canon and how in their heads and personal canon Trek XI does not exist (as they already do).

What has been done to this beloved franchise?!

It has been given the chance to live again after a death brought by a few failed movies and tv shows.
If they will succeed or fail remains to be seen.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Success or a failure it does not matter at all.
Once Trek XI is on the screen it will be canon. As will be everything else in Trek we've seen on screen for the past 40 years (except TAS).

I don't know I still say there are going to be arguments...

and why isn't TAS canon? It's on screen.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Success or a failure it does not matter at all.
Once Trek XI is on the screen it will be canon. As will be everything else in Trek we've seen on screen for the past 40 years (except TAS).

I don't know I still say there are going to be arguments...

and why isn't TAS canon? It's on screen.

Maybe there will be. Stupid arguments though still don't change the facts.
If Paramount puts it on screen, it's canon.
Can't change it, no way around it.


As for TAS I'm sure there are more interested and knowledgeable men than me to argue about this, but as far as I'm aware Roddenberry decanonized it at some point.
But ofcourse people still very much argue and fight over this as well.

 

[I am not Spock]

Gene didn't think ST V TFF and TUC were canon, either.

By that point, what he said didn't really matter to the suits.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Gene didn't think ST V TFF and TUC were canon, either.

By that point, what he said didn't really matter to the suits.

The suits, however, have never shown any inclination to include TAS along with the live action productions as "canon." That's just the way it is.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Gene didn't think ST V TFF and TUC were canon, either.

By that point, what he said didn't really matter to the suits.

How could Gene think TUC wasn't canon? Wasn't that made after he passed on?

 

[Semah]

What has been done to this beloved franchise?!

What they had to do, what they always do...turned death into a fighting chance to live.

Some people just don't get it - everything on screen is canon, even when it contradicts other things.

"Canon" in no way means "internally self-consistent."

It's a canonical "fact" that Gary Mitchell created a tombstone for Kirk with the middle initial "R" and it's a canonical "fact" that Kirk's middle name begins with "T."

If fans want to w/a/s/t/e/ spend lots of time creating explanations for Trek's inconsistencies that's fine. However, the lack of a plausible explanation for an inconsistency doesn't make one live action on-screen event "canon" and another not.

How DARE you bring rational thought into this conversation! There's a friggin 0 at the front of the registry number of the Kelvin. A Zero!!!!

 

[EyalM]

Gene didn't think ST V TFF and TUC were canon, either.

By that point, what he said didn't really matter to the suits.

How could Gene think TUC wasn't canon? Wasn't that made after he passed on?

He died a few days after seeing it. Apperantly it wasn't to his liking...